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Is this lifter tick or what? *NEW VIDEOS*

Post by supertrick_05 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:51 pm

Hey guys, I'm back...with an '01 R/T with lots of miles (194K). I made a lil video of how the engine sounds. I guess I'm not real familiar on how Neons sound when they're not in PERFECT RUNNING shape like my old one, but it seems to run good...just has that "tick" that makes it sound like a diesel. It actually runs very smooth, but it sounds like crap. I don't really know.

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Also, here's another video of the acceleration under WOT...it's fighting to go, but just isn't there. It's not a clogged cat (had it tested) and it's not the air filter (just changed it for a new element). I don't really know what else it could be besides a fuel issue.

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Post by dvon17 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:50 am

Where's the video?

I wanna see if it sounds like mine lol.
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Post by supertrick_05 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:20 am

Oops! Idiot. Edited.
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Post by dvon17 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:11 am

haha. that's exactly what mine sounds like.

I keep hearing "it's normal" and "your motor sounds fine" :roll:
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Post by Kelevra » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:29 am

That's exactly what mine sounded like too!

Till I took it in, insisted that something was wrong. they dropped the oil pan, found metal shavings, got a new short block. no more sound.

It's hard to tell from a video though. Some camera mics are more sensitive to higher pitched/louder sounds. to me, it sounds REALLY loud and doesn't sound like lifters to me. sounds more like a bad case of piston slap or possible rod knockage.

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Post by Marcel » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:11 am

Kelevra wrote: It's hard to tell from a video though. Some camera mics are more sensitive to higher pitched/louder sounds. to me, it sounds REALLY loud and doesn't sound like lifters to me. sounds more like a bad case of piston slap or possible rod knockage.
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Post by dvon17 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:18 am

Honestly, I think if I wasn't used to hearing this noise myself, I'd think it was something worse. However, the fact that it ticks to the exact same rhythm as my motor, I can tell that it's the same as mine. The mic from his camera just makes it sound louder than it actually is.

It's loud, but it's not as loud as a rod knock. Trust me, I KNOW rod knocks (not my own car, luckily :lol: ).

I think I should take mine in as well and have them check for the metal shavings lol


edit** Well, idk. I listened to it about 10 more times and... it sounds a little worse. I'm not too familiar with motor internals so I can't suggest what it might be and it does sound a LITTLE worse than mine. It ticks to the same rhythm as I said above, but it sounds like it ticks ... "harder"? or ...idk. Shit, now I'm worried about my car all over again smh lol. I HAVE had it "listened" to by my mechanic (a guy whose opinion I really trust) and he said it doesn't sound too bad and that he gets Neons that sound worse) so idk.

hmm...
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Post by JeffM » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:21 am

Haaaaave you changed the oil yet, Brodie?
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Post by LilSparkPlug » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:21 am

That sounds like a combination of injector ticking with really bad piston slap, but it could be more than that I'm not sure. Like others have said, hard to tell from a video.

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Post by Danteneon » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:38 am

JeffM wrote:Haaaaave you changed the oil yet, Brodie?
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Change the oil and fill it up with 5qts of oil (not the 4.5 the manual tells you). Start it and see if it sounds different. If it's lifter tick, most (if not all of it) should go away. If not, it's more than likely piston slap or rod knock (if it's really loud).
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Post by sidepipe87 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:56 am

sounds like some piston slap going on there.
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Post by r/tguy02 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:29 am

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Post by dvon17 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:52 am

see, mine always stops after I get my oil changed. And it'll be gone for like a day or so. Then it comes back.

They always fill it with 4.5qts too. Didn't know it was safe to do more than that. Guess I'll give it a try.
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Post by Danteneon » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:05 pm

I have always used 5 quarts, but that's me. Some people say that using an extra qt of oil will cause oil to come past the cam seals due to a rise in oil pressure, but I have never experienced that.

And like you, the lifter tick goes away for a few days after the oil change but then it's back. I've just come to accept it :(
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Post by occasional demons » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:10 pm

lolz, I doubt an extra half quart of oil is going to make a difference in oil pressure. And if it did it would be less, due to aeration.
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Post by supertrick_05 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:40 am

Ok cool, thanks guys and Cam :) I'll make another video today with my Flip and maybe it's mic will pick up the sound better. As long as its not knock and something I should be worried about, thats all I care about. Still...I should probably change the oil anyways...even tho it looks pretty fresh. Any certain oil for high mileage cars that anyone recommends? Im going to dump a can of RESTORE in it...I swear by that stuff, and I know a bunch of other people do.
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Post by BlackRoseRacing » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:39 am

pull the valve cover off and check the rocker arms. a new local member here in WNY had the same issue and his intake rocker arm had a collapsed lifter causing the rocker shaft to slam every time it was actuated...just a thought
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Post by supertrick_05 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:40 am

My ex gf listened to it and she says its definitely knocking...but I think knocking sounds different, doesnt it?
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Post by NGCnoproblem » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:17 pm

Mine makes a bad ticking sound every morning till it warms up. It's been doin it for a year and everyone I've asked thinks its just a bad Lifters or lash adjuster. I've seen on here a mod where you champher the spacers to let oil circulate better. It's also a tsb
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Post by supertrick_05 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:06 am

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Post by Kelevra » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:40 pm

My vote is still rod knockage.

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Post by gilly02le » Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:48 am

yeah that's in the block. a local member just swapped in a new head and internals, no change in sound. still sounds like that, only slightly quieter.
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Post by supertrick_05 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:17 pm

I think I'm going to look for a 1GN DOHC and swap the Mag head/other components and freshen it up a little. Should be a fun experience and make a big difference!
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Post by gilly02le » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:01 am

good plan, the car likely just wanted the extra power, that was its way of telling you, lol.
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Post by arnonefrank » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:09 pm

Thats no rod knock, its your rockers or lash adjusters. i have that sound on my car after i let off throttle. ive seen my bearings and that wasnt it.

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Post by chew* » Tue May 28, 2013 7:00 pm

Ive been drag racing mine for 2 years with that noise.

Swapped head with a low mileage 32k head/rocker/cam combo.

Noise didn't go away. It's bottom end.

Sounds like a diesel at drive throughs.

Ignore it till it blows.
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