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I agree

I do believe there may be some kind of life out there but i have to see it to believe it. Too many fakes these days

wickedgood4684 wrote:

SC62391 wrote:Maybe aliens are just fish on another planet right now waiting for the billions of years of evolution

The problem is the fact that evolution is still just a theory and is full of a bunch of assumptions. Theoretical hypothesis that may or mat not be accurate.
So without undeniable proof of the Theory of evolution there is no possible legitimacy in the existence of aliens.

Belief in aliens is solely based upon an understanding of Faith.

This truly is a hokey attempt at logically trying to deny the existence of aliens.

First of all, "alien," in relation to extraterrestrial beings, are totally ambiguous and simply presumed to be such entities based on media and entertainment depictions of them. Because of that, one cannot rationally determine whether or not an alien being even had any sort of evolutionary process. In order for your connection between the theory of evolution, as noted by Darwin, and aliens to be cogent, you would need to have an understanding of aliens (e.g. extraterrestrial beings), which you do not. You can't simply refute the legitimacy of something based solely on a theory that the theory has never been applied to.

Darwin stated that complex beings come from more simplistic creatures over time. That said, we are unaware of whether or not extraterrestrial beings begin as complex or simplistic since we have never studied them (silence the Area 51 propaganda and hypothesis). That said, you cannot rationalize your comment that the existence of aliens is proven false by humans' theories on evolution. Your comment does not carry with it substantiation of fact because, truth be told, there are no facts to correlate it to.

Evolution and Aliens for the most part go hand in hand.

Evolution is the basis for the the origin of life.
Aliens as in ET's are being from another planet.


With out evolution then how would these aliens come to be? or do they even exist? Are you suggesting that aliens may have been created by a intelligent designer?

wickedgood4684 wrote:Evolution and Aliens for the most part go hand in hand.

You're seriously inferring this? That evolution and aliens go hand-in-hand "for the most part"? Where is your proof of this, or your research? I've done a lot of research in my day, and I would be very interested to read a credible source as to how a researcher was ever able to create any sort of research design that had a sample population of extraterrestrials for study. You must know three things no other scientists knows: 1) evolution did not occur; 2) aliens rely on evolution; 3) human evolution transcends to extraterrestrial entities. With all three of these as fact, then you could make your initial claim and have it be cogent. You do not, therefore the syllogism you attempted to create is not cogent and can simply be discredited.

wickedgood4684 wrote:Evolution is the basis for the the origin of life.
Aliens as in ET's are being from another planet.

Yes, life as what we know it here on Earth. The cosmos have proven time and time again that there are many things that do not follow a human's criteria for existence. You cannot begin to infer what "life" is in regards to an extraterrestrial being because there is no proof or facts surrounding them, only theories and hypothesis.

wickedgood4684 wrote:With out evolution then how would these aliens come to be? or do they even exist? Are you suggesting that aliens may have been created by a intelligent designer?

Again, you're assuming extraterrestrials migrate from the simplistic to the complex over a period of time (e.g. evolution). This is simply an assumption based on an unproven theory, which makes your assertion contain zero merit.

I am not suggesting anything other than you learn how research works in order for it to be found as legitimate and worth further research into. The fact that no single researcher on Earth can gather a sample of aliens and study them over a longitudinal research design is simple enough to just discredit your entire argument. The idea of an "intelligent designer," or supreme being, of the universe is a whole different topic.

BoostinBen wrote:

wickedgood4684 wrote:Evolution and Aliens for the most part go hand in hand.

You're seriously inferring this? That evolution and aliens go hand-in-hand "for the most part"? Where is your proof of this, or your research? I've done a lot of research in my day, and I would be very interested to read a credible source as to how a researcher was ever able to create any sort of research design that had a sample population of extraterrestrials for study. You must know three things no other scientists knows: 1) evolution did not occur; 2) aliens rely on evolution; 3) human evolution transcends to extraterrestrial entities. With all three of these as fact, then you could make your initial claim and have it be cogent. You do not, therefore the syllogism you attempted to create is not cogent and can simply be discredited.

So if aliens exist then where do they come from?

BoostinBen wrote:

wickedgood4684 wrote:Evolution is the basis for the the origin of life.
Aliens as in ET's are being from another planet.

Yes, life as what we know it here on Earth. The cosmos have proven time and time again that there are many things that do not follow a human's criteria for existence. You cannot begin to infer what "life" is in regards to an extraterrestrial being because there is no proof or facts surrounding them, only theories and hypothesis.

Well for one, I don't believe in evolution or aliens. I am merely using it as an example. But yes Aliens are just theories and hypothesis. We know nothing about any ET being, or even if they exist.

BoostinBen wrote:

wickedgood4684 wrote:With out evolution then how would these aliens come to be? or do they even exist? Are you suggesting that aliens may have been created by a intelligent designer?

Again, you're assuming extraterrestrials migrate from the simplistic to the complex over a period of time (e.g. evolution). This is simply an assumption based on an unproven theory, which makes your assertion contain zero merit.

I am not suggesting anything other than you learn how research works in order for it to be found as legitimate and worth further research into. The fact that no single researcher on Earth can gather a sample of aliens and study them over a longitudinal research design is simple enough to just discredit your entire argument. The idea of an "intelligent designer," or supreme being, of the universe is a whole different topic.

Well again I agree. What I am really trying to show is an evolutionary perspective in the existence in aliens. Again I do not believe in evolution or Aliens. Basically that evolution and aliens are both based off assumptions. I guess what I really should have said is that those whom believe in Aliens are those whom also believe in a view of evolution. Whom use the theory of evolution to try and understand and comprehend the possible existence of aliens. SC62391 stated that maybe there are primitive type of life on other planets still in their infancy of existence. He used evolution to theorize about the existence of aliens. And what I was saying is that evolution cannot prove the existence of alien if it cannot be even proven to be true itself.

When it comes to extraterrestrial life, science is diametrically opposed to the evolutionary mentality. We currently have no evidence of alien life-forms. This problem is not lost on the secular scientists. It has been said that the atomic scientist Enrico Fermi was once discussing the topic of extraterrestrial life when he asked the profound question, “Where is everybody?” Since there are quite possibly multiple billions of planets in our galaxy, and since in the secular view these are all accidents, it is almost inevitable that some of these had the right conditions for life to evolve. And if some of these worlds are billions of years older than ours, then at least some of them would have evolved intelligent life eons ago. The universe should therefore have countless numbers of technologically superior civilizations, any one of which could have colonized our galaxy ages ago. Yet, we find no evidence of these civilizations. Where is everybody? This problem has become known as the “Fermi paradox.”

They either do or don't exist and right now we don't know. Save the stress for when we do find something......or when something finds us

I'm not stressing them coming at all. In fact, I'm getting impatient

UriahRR wrote:I'm not stressing them coming at all. In fact, I'm getting impatient

Are you gonna go looking soon? lol

UriahRR wrote:I'm not stressing them coming at all. In fact, I'm getting impatient

They already stopped by, but you were passed out drunk as fuck in your car at the hotel.

They said they will be back in 20 years, so you gotta wait a bit more.

wickedgood4684 wrote:
So if aliens exist then where do they come from?

This is the only comment in your post I'll entertain since your other comments would just make me regurgitate what I've already said.

In order to determine where aliens come from we have to prove they exist in the first place. Since we can't prove the latter, we cannot hypothesis the former. The problem here is you using Darwin's theory of evolution to try to explain why something that has not even been proven to exist or not exist already does not exist; similarly, those who try to prove aliens do exist by the same reasoning. I like proof...the theory does not give proof of anything, even evolution here on Earth, and specifically not of any evolutionary process in an extraterrestrial sense. Like those who say "God can't exist because evolution has shown to be a viable scientific process." There is no proof for that, either. Ideas of other life in space is determined solely by personal belief and not by scientific evidence.

On a personal level, I find it hard to believe that Earth is the only planet in this entire universe that holds intelligent life. That said, other intelligent life does not need to follow the same proposed evolutionary process we do in accordance to the theory of evolution, as another galaxy may hold another process that one could theorize created its current intelligent life.

Also, as a side note, using a paradox is not a good example to use when trying to debate something. Equally, it drives me crazy when people try to discredit the existence of God or "a god" by using the omnipotence paradox. Things like God/gods, aliens, etc. are all based on belief and not scientific research. If scientific research could irrefutably explain any of them, belief would need not exist.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

BoostinBen wrote:

wickedgood4684 wrote:
So if aliens exist then where do they come from?

This is the only comment in your post I'll entertain since your other comments would just make me regurgitate what I've already said.

In order to determine where aliens come from we have to prove they exist in the first place. Since we can't prove the latter, we cannot hypothesis the former. The problem here is you using Darwin's theory of evolution to try to explain why something that has not even been proven to exist or not exist already does not exist; similarly, those who try to prove aliens do exist by the same reasoning. I like proof...the theory does not give proof of anything, even evolution here on Earth, and specifically not of any evolutionary process in an extraterrestrial sense. Like those who say "God can't exist because evolution has shown to be a viable scientific process." There is no proof for that, either. Ideas of other life in space is determined solely by personal belief and not by scientific evidence.

On a personal level, I find it hard to believe that Earth is the only planet in this entire universe that holds intelligent life. That said, other intelligent life does not need to follow the same proposed evolutionary process we do in accordance to the theory of evolution, as another galaxy may hold another process that one could theorize created its current intelligent life.

Also, as a side note, using a paradox is not a good example to use when trying to debate something. Equally, it drives me crazy when people try to discredit the existence of God or "a god" by using the omnipotence paradox. Things like God/gods, aliens, etc. are all based on belief and not scientific research. If scientific research could irrefutably explain any of them, belief would need not exist.

So what you are saying is that your thoughts and beliefs about life and its origin are based off of scientific fact. Which according to you has not been proven either way. So therefore you really dont believe in anything. That makes it kind of hard for you to argue something when you dont believe in anything doesn't it?

My main point IS that people use the theory of evolution as a spring board into the existence of aliens. If they do, then they need to first have irrefutable evidence that the origins of life are true according to the theory of evolution. The chances of life happening by the evolutionary process are near impossible, if not impossible. So it would be very hard to fathom the idea that there is the chance that there is a life form on another planet that developed by another process.

I also dont find it hard to believe that we are the only ones in this universe. IMO this earth was created to support life and the beings that exist on this planet where purposely designed to exist here.

You clearly do not have the ability to comprehend things on this level, as I never once mentioned my thoughts and beliefs are based on fact; I said your ridiculous link between the theory of evolution negating the existence of intelligent life elsewhere (e.g. aliens) is farcical. As a matter of fact, I italicized "believe" to iterate that is my personal presumption, which is secluded totally from scientific proof and/or fact. I've made it blatantly clear in each of my posts that belief and proof do not go hand-in-hand...that in itself is a fact as religion is an obvious depiction of such.

Why aren't you able to grasp this?

I'm sorry. I guess I dont comprehend what you are saying because none of it makes any sense. Its just a bunch of incoherent ramblings with uncommonly used words mixed in. Your ability to convey your message is lacking.

wickedgood4684 wrote:

SC62391 wrote:Maybe aliens are just fish on another planet right now waiting for the billions of years of evolution

The problem is the fact that evolution is still just a theory and is full of a bunch of assumptions. Theoretical hypothesis that may or mat not be accurate.
So without undeniable proof of the Theory of evolution there is no possible legitimacy in the existence of aliens.

Belief in aliens is solely based upon an understanding of Faith.

Your ability to understand both of these statements is where you have fallen flat.

SC62391 is using evolution, as defined by darwin, to theorize about the existence of life on other planets. You completely over looked this and made your conclusion based solely on what I said in response to his claim.

I said you cannot base your belief of aliens based off of a theory that is not conclusively true. So his thoughts on alien life cannot be true based on evolution.

I have conveyed my message fine, but your lack of comprehension is causing you to not follow along. In the end, you are correlating a theory here with something that has not been proven or disproven to exist. Moreover, you also correlate that link with the presumption that other intelligent beings (e.g. aliens) would follow the same theorized evolutionary process we have. SC62391's comment was simply that - a comment. You went and tried to make it into something more which is why I entered the equation.

There is simply no sense for me to continue to explain basic principles to you when you can't grasp them. Conversely, it's also humorous how you try to put words on my keyboard I never typed in order to try to further your ridiculousness. You like fallacies so you should check out the straw man fallacy.

SC62391's comment is irrelevant as it's your shaky syllogism that holds no water.

And the "uncommonly used words" part did give me a chuckle.

wickedgood4684 wrote:If we evolved over billions of years then where are all the intermediate species. Why is the fossil record so incomplete? Why are we not tripping over these fossils?

Because the earth's crust is steadily being sucked under one plate, and covered by another. Thus slowly burying/melting all evidence. And more links are being discovered...

But if we are meant to know, we would know, or eventually will.

The better question is, will it really make a difference, or (Insert Jack Nicholson voice) will we be able to handle the truth?

BoostinBen wrote: In the end, you are correlating a theory here with something that has not been proven or disproven to exist. Moreover, you also correlate that link with the presumption that other intelligent beings (e.g. aliens) would follow the same theorized evolutionary process we have. SC62391's comment was simply that - a comment. You went and tried to make it into something more which is why I entered the equation.

I feel that it is a pretty safe assumption that those whom believe in evolution are more likely to also believe in aliens. The basic mind set would be that well if we can come from no life to life then the chances of that happening on another planet shouldn't be to far fetched. I dont get what you dont understand about that? Evolution is not just the book of the Origin of species. I guess your basic understanding of evolution is flawed. The theory of evolution as a whole gives a strong basis for extra terrestrial life.

BoostinBen wrote:There is simply no sense for me to continue to explain basic principles to you when you can't grasp them. Conversely, it's also humorous how you try to put words on my keyboard I never typed in order to try to further your ridiculousness. You like fallacies so you should check out the straw man fallacy.

SC62391's comment is irrelevant as it's your shaky syllogism that holds no water.

And the "uncommonly used words" part did give me a chuckle.

I enjoyed the conversation. Your just over complicating a simple conversation.

wickedgood4684 wrote:The theory of evolution as a whole gives a strong basis for extra terrestrial life.

And ^^ is why this conversation is over your head. If you truly believe this linearly then that is extremely comical. That said, if you want to continue to deflect from your obvious confusion on the matter, you're going to have to entertain yourself from here on out.

I actually dont believe any of this at all. Just trying to put myself in an evolutionary/extra terrestrial mind set. I honestly believe that evolution is NOT any proof to the existence of aliens. I also believe that evolution along with aliens are a couple of hoax's. I believe in a young universe and Intelligent designer. But that's a completely different topic.

What all these arguments boil down to is if you believe in the big bang/evolution theory, or if you have a solid creationism belief.

Few people are able to grasp both ends of this spectrum (intelligent start of a big bang).

This has just turned into a big useless argument. Man doesn't know the truth

/thread.

Just different points of view

Skyline.




That is all.

occasional demons wrote:Skyline.




That is all.

I saw that on netflix. I'll have to watch that tomorrow...

Thought this was cool..

http://www.valdosta.edu/~cbarnbau/astro ... m_sun.html

occasional demons wrote:Skyline.




That is all.

One of the worst movies ever made, bar none.

This thread is entertaining, I enjoy it.

BoostinBen wrote:

occasional demons wrote:Skyline.




That is all.

One of the worst movies ever made, bar none.

I think Meteor Apocalypse was worse.

I want a pet alien. /Thread

esteinmaier wrote:I want a pet alien. /Thread

And it's Tee Shirt would say: Boost makes/gives me ______. ?