Dodge Dart news

Post by **Canada** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:06 am

titansxt wrote:

God damn. It's NYG reborn.

Post by **jonnymopar** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:27 pm

Canada wrote:God damn. It's NYG reborn.

My thoughts exactly. I think it looks great with the matched grille like that too.

bstc00 · Post by **bstc00** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:49 pm

3.0 SRT?

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:47 pm

what's really sad is the issues there having with the 1.4

My salesman went to order another Dart for stock and there Is a restriction on the 1.4 engine. Apparently there having major issues with the new engine already!
As I mentioned before, we just replace a complete oil filter adapter housing on one due to oil leakage and Chrysler called and wanted it back to quality control on an overnight shipment. It's pretty bad this engine did very well in the Fiat 500, but somehow it's screwed up in the Dart platform...

stdlystdmufn · Post by **stdlystdmufn** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:46 pm

ehh just like the 2.4 world engine with casting sand clogging the filter screen for the VCT

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:24 pm

I do have this to say, this is finally a Neon replacement! All characteristics of of this new Dart resemble a glorified Neon for 2013! Now hopefully they get the 1.4 issues resolved...

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:27 pm

Saw my first one driving around today, it was red. Think it was the 1.4 turbo. Looks sharp. I agree, this is the Neon replacement.

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:24 am

If my employer ever dropped my take-home vehicle benefit, I would certainly want a Dart for a DD (the SRT would still get to relax and show its muscle every now and then

).

titansxt · Post by **titansxt** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:52 pm

Midnight_Rider wrote:If my employer ever dropped my take-home vehicle benefit, I would certainly want a Dart for a DD (the SRT would still get to relax and show its muscle every now and then ).

As it should be doing right now!

Kelevra · Post by **Kelevra** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:02 am

The one at my dealer... the 1.4L turbo's recirc. valve was jammed CLOSED! it was boosting even while decelerating... I knew it felt and sounded a little funky... No turbo flutter or 'blow off' noise (as much as you could hear with a recirc.) it still had a slight turbo whine but nothing else and felt a little sluggish upon getting back on the throttle. Funny how I mentioned it after driving hearing all wasn't right.. next day I wanted to go for another spin to get a feel for it.. it was out of commission for repairs due to the problem. lol

slowpeon · Post by **slowpeon** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:07 pm

How exactly was the car in boost while decelerating? Doesn't make any sense to me.

NEON PARABOLA · Post by **NEON PARABOLA** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:04 pm

Pulled up behind a black sxt today. Not too shabby lookin!

Kelevra · Post by **Kelevra** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:00 pm

slowpeon wrote:How exactly was the car in boost while decelerating? Doesn't make any sense to me.

You know blow off valves? they open up and dump any excess boost when you let off the accelerator. Recirc. valves work the same way except it dumps the blow off back into the inlet of the turbo. Essentially it doesn't boost the engine, the pressure just keeps building and could possibly bust a line or damage the turbo

Quoted from: http://www.enginebasics.com/Advanced%20 ... alves.html

A re-circulated BOV is one where the boost pressure is re-circulated back into the intake just before the turbo. This type of set-up is a must for those that are running a Mass Air Fuel ( MAF) sensor. The reason for this is that the MAF has already accounted for the air that is in the intake manifold, and if it was allowed to escape to the atmosphere, the car would run overly rich due to the fact that the ECU still believes that the air is in the intake tract. A bonus to running a re-circulated BOV is that the air being re-circulated can be brought back into the turbochargers intake pipe at a location and angle so that the air pressure is forced directly onto the compressor wheel. This will aid even more in helping to keep the turbo spooled up and running in-between shifts, or times when you are quickly on and off the gas pedal. A turbo type made by borg warner turbo systems called the EFR series has a build in, re-circulated BOV built into the turbo's compressor housing.

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:36 pm

Awww, that's cute, you read the pamphlet. Go back to breaking computer chairs, Kelevra.

If the surge valve was stuck shut, there would be compressor surge out the fucking wazoo. You would know immediately that there was a major problem. Hell, if Fiat/Dodge programmers still work their magic, you'd most likely go into limp mode the moment the throttle plate closed. I highly, HIGHLY doubt the surge valve was jammed shut. If anything, since they use a rubber diaphragm, they'd have a greater chance of leaking than jamming shut.

Plus, throttle plate closes, revs go down, less exhaust produced; how the fuck are you still creating boost, Kelevra? Compressor is now fighting its own boost to the death by your surge valve logic, and the engine isn't demanding any. You CAN'T create boost when the car is decelerating. That means NO FUCKING THROTTLE.

Also, I can guarantee Jimmy knows a little more about bov's than you, Kelevra.

Kelevra · Post by **Kelevra** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:12 pm

Awww, that's cute, you read the pamphlet. Go back to breaking computer chairs, Kelevra.

First of all, I quoted it as a reference. 2nd, how does me being overweight and breaking a computer chair have ANY bearing on my knowledge or the current discussion? This is a personal attack and I DO NOT appreciate this. so fuck off

If the surge valve was stuck shut, there would be compressor surge out the fucking wazoo. You would know immediately that there was a major problem

Yes, it would cause surge but I was test driving it, not beating its balls off. Thus I never got past 4k revs to where it would be painfully obvious

Plus, throttle plate closes, revs go down, less exhaust produced; how the fuck are you still creating boost?

When you let off the gas, the engine doesn't immediately drop the revs back to idle, it takes a sec. Meanwhile in the second you let off the gas the throttle plate closes and the engine is still at high revs and the compressor is spooled and able to boost thus for that short time it still could produce enough boost (though the engine isn't using it) to cause undue stress on the intake piping and turbo.

and by your logic it sounds like we can all run without BoVs/Recircs or wastegates and not cause any problem upon decel and shifting. because "the revs go down, less exhaust produced how can it create boost?"

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:17 am

No, you really don't grasp the subject.

When you let off the throttle, your spark and fuel trim maps change. RPM has no direct impact on boost, thus why you can cruise around at 6k RPM and never once hit boost. You'd be surprised just how quick velocity is lost when you close the throttle. That's why they invented WOT boxes so you get every ounce of velocity from the exhaust. You cannot create boost in an environment where there is no velocity to spin the turbine. It will not happen. Put a waterwheel in a stale pond and watch it NOT MOVE.

And, since you've now slammed the throttle plate on a boost charge that apparently has no where to go - it goes right back to the source. The turbine wheel and compressor wheels are tied directly together. If the compressor wheel is being punched in the face by its own boost, the turbine isn't going to magically make it to create more boost.

Read my post again and tell me what part you don't get. The surge valve/BOV's main purpose is to protect the turbo. The BOV doesn't give two fucks about the engine. Without a BOV, that charge goes right back to the compressor. You will drop boost, but in the most unpleasant, and frankly terrifying, spectacle. If you didn't drop boost? That means your shit is so well sealed that air can't even GET IN. We could run without BOV's and surge valves if there wasn't a need to protect the turbo.

Also, you're an idiot. <--- That's a personal attack. Not once did I say you were fat; merely poking fun at your seemingly on-going debate on whether you can afford a new computer chair or not.

smallblockfreak · Post by **smallblockfreak** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:51 pm

Jeff for president!

On a serious note though kelevra you do realize that a turbo also makes whinning noise while spooling down too. Plain and simple jeff is right and you are wrong. Not trying to be a dick it's the truth. Why argue with someone that owns a turbo car and apparently knows a little more than you do.

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:47 pm

JeffM wrote:how the fuck are you still creating boost, Kelevra?

I think there's a joke to be made there about an asshole, some gas, and a computer chair.

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:02 am

Gentlemen, let's please get back on topic. Thank you.

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:37 pm

Dodge will revive its GTS nameplate for a special, Mopar-ized version of its Dart sedan sometime next year, according to a brochure leaked on the Internet.

The brochure, which was posted at Dodge-Dart.org, shows off a number of interior and exterior changes, but no modifications to the Dart's powertrain.

The new look outside is dominated by a new matte black hood with what the enthusiast site is calling an "appearance" intake - in other words, it's not a functional air intake. Matte black trim also adorns the lowest portion of the body, including the front spoiler, rear diffuser and side sills. Up top, the Dart GTS includes a carbon fiber-looking roof applique.

Inside, white acents abound. Leather seats provided by Katzkin and bright aluminum pedal covers are also on board.

The Dart GTS builds on the upcoming Dart R/T, a model that is excuslively available with a 184-horsepower 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine.

The Dart R/T starts at about $22,500, but the GTS trim package will likely add at least $1,500 when it is launched next year.

NEON PARABOLA · Post by **NEON PARABOLA** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:40 pm

one of the guys here at work got a dark grey one, sexy car!

theColonel · Post by **theColonel** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:45 pm

I hope the R/T is worth waiting for ... I'm just not impressed with 1.4T or 2.0 cars out now

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:16 pm

theColonel wrote:I hope the R/T is worth waiting for ... I'm just not impressed with 1.4T or 2.0 cars out now

Uhhh you mean the SRT? 184 crank HP is weak.

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:14 am

I would just like to see some on the road! Maybe it is like when the 1GN debuted- it took a while before I started seeing others (I about went nuts when I saw a transport full of multicolored 1GNs in a truck stop parking lot around spring of 1994).

Post by **Canada** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:10 am

Midnight_Rider wrote:I would just like to see some on the road! Maybe it is like when the 1GN debuted- it took a while before I started seeing others (I about went nuts when I saw a transport full of multicolored 1GNs in a truck stop parking lot around spring of 1984).

Gramps, How's that time machine working for ya?

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:43 am

I was thinking the same thing

NEON PARABOLA · Post by **NEON PARABOLA** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:50 am

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:13 am

psh, who needs a brochure? the GTS was at carlisle

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:51 pm

Canada wrote:Gramps, How's that time machine working for ya?

Danteneon wrote: I was thinking the same thing

You two just couldn't let that pass, could you? Okay, I meant 1994.

Anyone see these?
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/20 ... -dart-seen
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/20 ... -las-vegas

titansxt · Post by **titansxt** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:49 pm

Those chops look....bad. R34 does a very nice job!