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Post by MyNeonSaysHi » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:37 am

Well maybe that got canned and its going to be an R/T instead...
The R/T Charger and R/T Challenger have set the bar pretty high. It’s just trying to go back to where that name really means something.”
So I expect a pretty good amount of power out of the R/T.... Better be over 250 atleast.

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Post by ragek23 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:49 am

and thats y id see myself in a focus ST > Dart in the future. The dodge group just can't see american cars be small and fast again. Even the arbath fiat is slower in america.

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Post by Hudson_Neon » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:20 pm

lol, clearly the person who made that one doesn't like to compare first year runs and only knows of the dart's performance years

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Post by gtxtreme19 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:55 pm

I test drove a 2013 dart, if I'm going to invest 20+ into a dart its going to be a late 60s early 70s scat pack car with a 8 3/4 quick change rear and a real big small block
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Post by Danteneon » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:52 am

Off topic a bit, but who knows what qualified a Dodge to be in the Scat Pack?
If I could just figure out how to meld the Outback and the Neon into one car...

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Post by gtxtreme19 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:26 am

http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/scat-pack.html

Here I always thought it was just a decal.
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Post by theColonel » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:40 am

Hudson_Neon wrote:lol, clearly the person who made that one doesn't like to compare first year runs and only knows of the dart's performance years

:tool1: refer to post # 560
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Post by Danteneon » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:01 pm

gtxtreme19 wrote:http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/scat-pack.html

Here I always thought it was just a decal.
Good info, but it lacks the qualifying criteria to be in the club. To be in the Scat Pack, the car had to be able to run the 1/4 mile in 14 seconds or faster.
If I could just figure out how to meld the Outback and the Neon into one car...

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Post by gtxtreme19 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:16 pm

Danteneon wrote:
gtxtreme19 wrote:http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/scat-pack.html

Here I always thought it was just a decal.
Good info, but it lacks the qualifying criteria to be in the club. To be in the Scat Pack, the car had to be able to run the 1/4 mile in 14 seconds or faster.
I did not know that, thanks for that tidbit
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Post by Hudson_Neon » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:47 am

theColonel wrote:
Hudson_Neon wrote:lol, clearly the person who made that one doesn't like to compare first year runs and only knows of the dart's performance years

:tool1: refer to post # 560
no, you're a narrow minded old man who can't get past his fantasy cars. the new dart is right on par with the initial release of the dart in 1960. you gotta cut all auto manufacturers some slack with the limitations that are put on them. i can only imagine what you were like in the late 70's. :thefinger:

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Post by r/tguy02 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:22 pm

oh snap! :happy1:
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Post by sidepipe87 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:42 pm

Danteneon wrote:
gtxtreme19 wrote:http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/scat-pack.html

Here I always thought it was just a decal.
Good info, but it lacks the qualifying criteria to be in the club. To be in the Scat Pack, the car had to be able to run the 1/4 mile in 14 seconds or faster.
I'm putting scat pak stickers on my srt.

Also i just accidentally reported uour post :lol:

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Post by theColonel » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:49 pm

Hudson_Neon wrote:no, you're a narrow minded old man who can't get past his fantasy cars. the new dart is right on par with the initial release of the dart in 1960. you gotta cut all auto manufacturers some slack with the limitations that are put on them. I can only imagine what you were like in the late 70's. :thefinger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH6QFuFtvPY

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:tardbang: Congratulations ... only 25 years old and already an expert on cars built and owned over 50 years ago :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Post by Hudson_Neon » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:16 pm

theColonel wrote:
Hudson_Neon wrote:no, you're a narrow minded old man who can't get past his fantasy cars. the new dart is right on par with the initial release of the dart in 1960. you gotta cut all auto manufacturers some slack with the limitations that are put on them. I can only imagine what you were like in the late 70's. :thefinger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH6QFuFtvPY

:tardbang: Congratulations ... only 25 years old and already an expert on cars built and owned over 50 years ago :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
yeah, god forbid somebody half your age knows a little something about vehicles of your era. it's almost like i turn wrenches on vehicles for a living that span the better part of 3/4 of a century. oh well, rock on man :rockon:

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Post by gtxtreme19 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:16 pm

sidepipe87 wrote:
Danteneon wrote:
gtxtreme19 wrote:http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/scat-pack.html

Here I always thought it was just a decal.
Good info, but it lacks the qualifying criteria to be in the club. To be in the Scat Pack, the car had to be able to run the 1/4 mile in 14 seconds or faster.
I'm putting scat pak stickers on my srt.

Also i just accidentally reported uour post :lol:
You're slacking in your "grammar naziing." Scat pack srt would be Slicker'n dog shit on ice!
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Post by Midnight_Rider » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:52 pm

C'mon people, let's be civil. The 1GN Valiant/Dart was/is great (we got the original Barracuda and Duster/Demon from that platform, along with all of the other trim levels and packages). The 2GN Dart is great as well since it is a modern vehicle. My only quibble is that Chrysler Group didn't badge it Neon but I can understand why (DCX stomped that nameplate into the mud :cussing: ).
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Post by jonnymopar » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:14 pm

Midnight_Rider wrote:My only quibble is that Chrysler Group didn't badge it Neon but I can understand why (DCX stomped that nameplate into the mud :cussing: ).
Yep, good ol' Dr. Z hated that car. Oh well, he can go suck a bratwurst. It's not like anybody associated with Chrysler ever has to talk to him again.
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Post by Midnight_Rider » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:43 pm

True. And DCX's Caliber never did replace the Neon so we get the last laugh. :rofl:
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Post by theColonel » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:04 pm

Midnight_Rider wrote:True. And DCX's Caliber never did replace the Neon so we get the last laugh. :rofl:
DCX's Caliber killed Chrysler's chances to be a "player" in the small car market ... nobody wins except Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc.
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Post by Midnight_Rider » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:22 am

Yes. But DCX is dead (thank God) and now Fiat/Chrysler Group has the Dart. Full speed ahead! :D
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Post by BlackRoseRacing » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:06 am

Midnight_Rider wrote:Yes. But DCX is dead (thank God) and now Fiat/Chrysler Group has the Dart. Full speed ahead! :D
No Mopar 13 for me, but other things may happen :)
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Post by Midnight_Rider » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:05 pm

BlackRoseRacing wrote:No Mopar 13 for me, but other things may happen :)
Disappointed about the Mopar 13 but do want the dirt you're hinting at! :blob6:
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Post by jonnymopar » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:12 pm

Midnight_Rider wrote:True. And DCX's Caliber never did replace the Neon so we get the last laugh. :rofl:
It was so far off the mark that I wonder to this day if it was in fact their intent to "replace" the Neon with the Caliber. From what I read and what I remember, they're mentality regarding the transition from the Neon to the Caliber was: "People only buy small cars because they can't afford big ones. So, we need to make a small car as big as possible." Naturally, that mentality reeks of Mercedes. Apparently the idea of someone buying a small car out of preference as opposed to necessity was a foreign concept, no pun intended.

Oh well, onward with the Dart! I saw a white Limited up close last night. There were 4 adults in it and they didn't look crammed at all. I'm not a fan of white on any car, but this car had a real clean look to it. I like it.
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Post by Midnight_Rider » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:14 am

jonnymopar wrote:..."People only buy small cars because they can't afford big ones. So, we need to make a small car as big as possible." Naturally, that mentality reeks of Mercedes. Apparently the idea of someone buying a small car out of preference as opposed to necessity was a foreign concept, no pun intended.
You're right on the money. :thumbup: Europeans prefer hatchbacks so I think that DCX figured that Americans would warm up to them as well. The only successful hatchback in this country (that I can think of) was the Dodge Omni/Plymouth Horizon. I know that there were others (Chevy Vega, Chevy Chevette, the GM N-O-V-A (Chevy Nova, Olds Omega, Pontiac Ventura, Buick Apollo), Ford Pinto/Mustang II, AMC Gremlin, Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow, etc.) but they weren't as popular or as fondly remembered in my opinion.

The Dart makes me wish that I were in the market for a new car. I do feel guilty even thinking about a car other than a Neon though. :roll:
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Post by jonnymopar » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:16 pm

Mustang II... ewww.

Regarding hatchbacks, I'd say, at least from what I've seen in my life, the Golf/Rabbit was and is still very popular here, so the Europeans at least got that right. For me, I equate owning my VW to earning my college degree: it was ok at the time and I learned alot, but I'm thankful I never need to go through the expense and effort of it again.
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Post by theColonel » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:31 pm

jonnymopar wrote:
Midnight_Rider wrote:True. And DCX's Caliber never did replace the Neon so we get the last laugh. :rofl:
It was so far off the mark that I wonder to this day if it was in fact their intent to "replace" the Neon with the Caliber. From what I read and what I remember, they're mentality regarding the transition from the Neon to the Caliber was: "People only buy small cars because they can't afford big ones. So, we need to make a small car as big as possible." Naturally, that mentality reeks of Mercedes. Apparently the idea of someone buying a small car out of preference as opposed to necessity was a foreign concept, no pun intended.
:laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3: Mercedes is "the brains behind the Smart ForTwo" :tardbang:
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Post by Midnight_Rider » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:17 pm

jonnymopar wrote:Regarding hatchbacks, I'd say, at least from what I've seen in my life, the Golf/Rabbit was and is still very popular here, so the Europeans at least got that right.
IIRC, the Eurpoean Chrysler Horizon made it to market before the Golf (if not before, pretty darned close). I also remember KTP (Kokomo Transmission) testing Chrysler automatics that VW offered in Rabbits. Of course, some of the early Omni/Horizons had VW engines.[/off-topic]
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Post by Marcel » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:56 am

jonnymopar wrote:Regarding hatchbacks, I'd say, at least from what I've seen in my life, the Golf/Rabbit was and is still very popular here, so the Europeans at least got that right.
Well space is more of an issue here. :P My brother has a Ford F150 heavy duty dual cab and he can never fit in just one parking spot. The whole infrastructure is based on smaller cars, especially in a city it can be impossible to move around in what you would call a mid-size sedan.

FYI: the neon is considered a mid-size sedan here :rofl:
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