Who said Neons can't run e85???

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:03 am

Because of that, I wouldn't go back and forth, personally. Just keep a spare fuel rail assembled in the trunk, I'm completely serious when I say it only takes like 3 minutes to swap the rail.

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:26 pm

racer12306 wrote:the octane doesn't help make the power, its the additional mods that do that. and it takes more than your standard bolt ons to take advantage of the extra octane, however...

Well, yes.... I should mention that my 1995 has a Magnum head swap along with all the bolt ons..... This may change the results when using E-85 with an MP PCM.

-Nick

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:17 pm

Hudson_Neon wrote:hmm... ok, i might just be tired, but i didn't completely understand your answer... so you're sayin that if i need to put in 91 cause i can't find an e85 station i'm screwed?

You can run it with the larger injectors, but the ECU will pull fuel trims all the way back, and you may set a rich CEL. Still drivable, but not ideal. Just do it in a pinch.

Going back and forth without resetting the ECU is also a lousy idea. It will run like ass until it learns new fuel trims.

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:23 pm

esteinmaier wrote:
Hudson_Neon wrote:hmm... ok, i might just be tired, but i didn't completely understand your answer... so you're sayin that if i need to put in 91 cause i can't find an e85 station i'm screwed?
You can run it with the larger injectors, but the ECU will pull fuel trims all the way back, and you may set a rich CEL. Still drivable, but not ideal. Just do it in a pinch.

Going back and forth without resetting the ECU is also a lousy idea. It will run like ass until it learns new fuel trims.

oh, well i would reset the ECU. the only reason i wonder, is if i'm rquired to run e85 and i can't find a station that has e85 i'd run 91

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:23 pm

Going back and forth without resetting the ECU is also a lousy idea. It will run like ass until it learns new fuel trims

Resetting a pcm only takes 30seconds tops, with the proper setup....

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:06 pm

BlackRoseRacing wrote:
Going back and forth without resetting the ECU is also a lousy idea. It will run like ass until it learns new fuel trims
Resetting a pcm only takes 30seconds tops, with the proper setup....

but this would be if i'm on the road. there's tons of stations with e85 around here. so i just gotta disconnect the battery for a while. maybe go play a couple scratch-offs

Post by **racer12306** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:14 pm

it really only takes 30 seconds to reset the battery. i reset my battery when i had a CEL so that i could get home. pulled the neg cable and stepped on the brake. hooked the cable back up and all done.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:11 am

^^^
Well, pull the fuel pump relay then hit the brake pedal, count to 30 then reinsert the fuel pump relay, reconnect battery...done...
For those with relocated batteries its easier because most of us have a quick disconnect so we just push a button and the battery is disconnected...

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:37 pm

Danteneon wrote:Nope. Been a parts counterperson for Chrysler dealers for 20 years. But I do all of my own mechanical work. You learn a lot for techs if you pay attention to the jobs they do, problems they run into. Plus, I'm a Chrysler geek. I ask a lot of questions, and read a lot.

not fair, i ask a bunch of questions, and try to learn stuff... but you can still get better luck asking a stop sign about how cars work than asking me :ban:

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:42 pm

Dude, you can talk to stop signs!!!!!????

You're a GOD dude!!! lol

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:01 pm

im not a god, im just bringing sexy back

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:01 pm

ok, i ran across some info that might make flex fuel possible (FLEX fuel, not just e85). i started a new thread to get people to help push for a development of a neon unit. here's the link

http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=28680

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:14 am

Basically that unit is a piggy back wide band O2 sensor to monitor the O2 levels better in the exhaust system and recalculates the O2 sensor signal and then sends it to the pcm?
There's no need for it since running 22/24lb/hr injectors have been proven to be efficient enough for our motors and allows the pcm to adjust fuel ratio's accordingly.
The biggest issue I'm personally concerned about is failure of components due to the corrosive nature of the fuel.

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:10 am

but if you up the injectors, then you have to swap out the injectors again if you can't find an e85 station. i know that it doesn't take long. but i still think that it would be a handy item to have. if they make it compatable with the neon, i'm willing to spend a little bit to get it

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:29 am

Quoted from David on canoe4u.org forums.

"E85 is not as bad as a lot of people are lead to belive. Alot of people think ethonal is like methonal, but is way different. If you check out a lot of the e-85 conversion sites most of that is been put to rest. Yes earlier they did run special oil but not no more. There are a bunch of people including me that have been running e85 for years, for me about 2 1/2 years and zero issues. For E-85 for best performence HIGH comp and lots of timing. They ran a diesel jetta on e-85, of course they added spark plugs but were actually running the 16 or 18:1 comp ratio and getting over 40 mpg. For 1st gens you can always put in the higher psi regulator for a 2nd gen which will also give you some tune ability. But the fail safe way is use a wideband O2 sensor and an adjustable fuel regulator and things will be really easy in the long run. But for rough guesses E-85 needs 30% more fuel.

I have been tempted to convert the SRT8 to E-85 since it is higher comp and the software they have out now you can do custom fuel and timing maps, but it is still under warentee and a little more $$ for a mistake and a pain to find pumps at times. We'll see.?

And BTW you car is running on E-70 right now. Winter mix adds in more gas for better starting. It will be interesting in the spring when they switch back to E-85 and see how you car is running at WOT."

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:44 am

Well, come spring, I'm gonna run E85 a little bit in my 98 for racing.

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Frank, closest to us is Laurel/Ft Meade area. Then Annapolis.

Post by **racer12306** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:07 pm

ill buy it by the barrel before i go that far to get it.

gilly02le · Post by **gilly02le** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:54 am

lol, we only have TWO e-85 stations in Canada so far. Both Are in Ontario, But still, Both are 2 hours away from me, Shittttssss Weakkkkk.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:42 am

^^^
As I mentioned before, we make Ethanol for E-85 here in WNY and there are no stations here either......

Donkeypuncher · Post by **Donkeypuncher** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:14 pm

I've got 4 stations within 20 minutes of me, never even knew they were there. Kroger seems to really be jumping on the E85 bandwagon, nearly every station in texas is kroger.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:17 pm

I'm averaging about 18 MPG city (don't do much hwy driving, so I can't really get a good average) without any issues running E85 now, but I'm still managing to get through a whole week on one tank of gas, and I'm saving 50 cents a gallon over regular 87 octane!

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:30 pm

Test? This isn't the test forum, my friend.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:35 pm

Sean, you haven't mentioned your hiccuping. His car has begun to hiccup a little bit. We haven't yet discovered if this is due to plugs being gapped too big or the fuel filter clogging because the ethanol has cleaned out the tank. More details will follow once he starts replacing the suspected problems.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:41 pm

I'm wondering if it's something related to the trans actually. I've begun putting it in neutral when I pull to a stoplight, and it seems like it's not doing it any more. It also doesn't do it in park, only when I'm at a light in drive.

I'm going to re-gap the plugs again just in case, however.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:01 am

When you have it in gear, you are putting load on the motor. It's not trans related.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:18 am

I'm going to re-gap the plugs today and see what happens, and how they're looking while they're out (pics will be posted) then i'll move on to the more expensive stuff (and probably an oil change since I need one and we never get to that part when I'm up there Erick) in the coming weeks.

As I recall, however, the torque converter basically is just slipping by when you're at a stop, so you're really not putting any load on the motor when you're stopped. However, the car hiccupped a few times in neutral this morning, so it seems that is not the problem.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:47 am

TheRandom1 wrote: As I recall, however, the torque converter basically is just slipping by when you're at a stop, so you're really not putting any load on the motor when you're stopped. However, the car hiccupped a few times in neutral this morning, so it seems that is not the problem.

By that logic, you're not putting any load on the motor when you're driving down the road, because the wheels are just turning against the pavement.

If the car will start rolling when you release the brakes, you're putting load on the motor.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:24 pm

Hiccupping is gone it ended up being plug wires. The old ones weren’t giving a good enough spark, but it’s all good and running fine again.

srtjesse · Post by **srtjesse** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:34 pm

nice write up will come in handy later thanks

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:42 pm

thanks. Feel free to ask any questions you may have. I may not have answers, but Erick may!