big 3 / alternator question

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big 3 / alternator question

Post by nineball » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:42 pm

i spent about 4 hours last night scouring neon forums but never found a definitive answer. i am doing the big 3 upgrade and know everything there is to know about it with one exception, battery to alternator.

the positive line from the battery goes to a plastic housing on the starter which then has 2 lines running from it, a small one to the solenoid and a larger one to the alternator. the battery to starter line appears to be an 8 or 10 gauge wire, with the same running from starter to alt. the line to the solenoid is much smaller, but there is no need to upgrade that wire. every post i read about people trying to get at that plastic housing thing resulted in it getting broken so i really hate to mess with that.

my question is this: if you have ALREADY done a big 3 upgrade, including positive side, what did you do for this connection? did you replace the line from battery to starter, and then starter to alt? if so, how did you get it to go into that housing thing? (i am assuming that anyone who has done this had used a minimum of 4 gauge wiring, which is quite a bit larger than the stock.) did you bypass it and just add another direct connection between the battery and the alt? if so, did you fuse it, and with what size fuse?

if anyone can give me real life experience with this issue it would be greatly appreciated. i was up until 1 am reading posts from as far back as 2003 and never found the answers i needed.

btw, if anyone is thinking about doing this, the how-to in the electrical section has a very detailed post about the ground side of this, but nothing on the positive side. it is a great place to start though.

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Post by occasional demons » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:05 pm

If you don't want to mess with the starter connection, which is just basically a ring terminal with a slide terminal integrated; enclosed in a plastic housing, I would run the upgrade wire from the alternator to the battery leaving the alt/starter/battery circuit intact. Unless the engine has serious compression, the stock starter to battery wire should be adequate. Just my $0.02
Edit: the fuseable link/fuse could be used. It is more of a safeguard if the alternator shorts internally or the battery develops a shorted plate, or if by some bizare chance the alternator goes into kill charging mode, and makes some wicked amperage. The thing is, if you're upgrading to run more stuff, the "fuse" will need to be better than the total max amperage draw of the amps, etc. which may not protect the battery/alt. in the above mentioned situations. It all comes down to the tradeoff.
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Post by Adionik » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:24 pm

What are the big 3 again? I upgraded my grounds but i'm not sure.
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Post by jT » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:44 am

the big 3 is upgrading the grounds

as for that plastic thing on the starter, i ended up just breaking it off because i couldnt get in there well enough to fiddle with it nor did i know really how it came apart... but at least i ripped it off in such a way that i can put it back on

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Post by nineball » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:00 am

the big 3 refers to upgrading the 3 major connections under the hood - battery to chassis, engine ground to chassis and battery to alternator.

this page gives a good overview of the process, but not specific to any one vehicle.

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