How-To: Install Autostick shifter/ cluster * finally working
good news - at least for me
All parts must be out of the same car, as the seller had just parts which had been declared out of a black neon. Because he had an autostick-shifter, the dob seemed right and he had no other stuff from different neons, I risked it.
Cluster, pcm, immobilizer and ignition barrel.
Sure - the first thing was to disassemble the cluster.
From the outside (except for the numbers) there seem to be no difference.
Just on the place where the LED for autostick is on the rpm-gauge you could notice a tiny difference viewing in a special angle (not possible for me to take that on a picture)
On the back of the plate is a second resistor which is missing on the usual. The rest is the same - I found no difference ( by comparing my both black uk clusters ).
The part-number of the autostick-plate. On the non-autostick uk-plate its ...AL.
The odometer-plate with autostick ( ) - number of wires and plug the same as on the non-autostick.
The bezel is a bit different for the Autostick-Display
For comparison the non-autostick-bezel on the picture below
Special thanks to Dan who helped me out getting this stuff as the junkyard had not wanted to ship outside uk.
And special thanks to TinyQ who offered his support as well.
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The very next time I will try to plug the cluster with my selfmade OBD-Adaptor
and will see what happen.
Then I will look for the red DOT on the cluster
which came on on my last try with the other non-autostick-cluster last time (on the picture above).
If nothing helps - now I have the correct pcm for the autostick-cluster
Anyway - next time I like to get an PT Cruiser autostick-cluster to disassemble that thing and to try if it will work on the neon
All parts must be out of the same car, as the seller had just parts which had been declared out of a black neon. Because he had an autostick-shifter, the dob seemed right and he had no other stuff from different neons, I risked it.
Cluster, pcm, immobilizer and ignition barrel.
Sure - the first thing was to disassemble the cluster.
From the outside (except for the numbers) there seem to be no difference.
Just on the place where the LED for autostick is on the rpm-gauge you could notice a tiny difference viewing in a special angle (not possible for me to take that on a picture)
On the back of the plate is a second resistor which is missing on the usual. The rest is the same - I found no difference ( by comparing my both black uk clusters ).
The part-number of the autostick-plate. On the non-autostick uk-plate its ...AL.
The odometer-plate with autostick ( ) - number of wires and plug the same as on the non-autostick.
The bezel is a bit different for the Autostick-Display
For comparison the non-autostick-bezel on the picture below
Special thanks to Dan who helped me out getting this stuff as the junkyard had not wanted to ship outside uk.
And special thanks to TinyQ who offered his support as well.
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The very next time I will try to plug the cluster with my selfmade OBD-Adaptor
and will see what happen.
Then I will look for the red DOT on the cluster
which came on on my last try with the other non-autostick-cluster last time (on the picture above).
If nothing helps - now I have the correct pcm for the autostick-cluster
Anyway - next time I like to get an PT Cruiser autostick-cluster to disassemble that thing and to try if it will work on the neon
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The (!) is for the parking brake, or if there is a fault with the brake hydraulics. Regular 140, and 160 mph clusters also have that issue when installed in the standard neons.
http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=263363
http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=263363
Bill
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
2000 Neon MTX swap with '02 R/T PCMOlha Koba, a psychologist in Kyiv, said that “anger and hate in this situation is a normal reaction and important to validate.” But it is important to channel it into something useful, she said, such as making incendiary bombs out of empty bottles.
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
yes - and that is why I absolutely wanted to get an autostick-cluster AND the pcm out of the same car. I don´t liked the idea to solder something on the cluster to fix that damn light.
So I think I am very lucky to have found a set in autostick, NGC and miles.
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Next step is to try the autostick-cluster parallel to see if that will work. Then - for warmer days - I´ll swap the cluster and the pcm.
Here I think the immobilizer out of the same car will help a lot for getting it work. Or do you know, what will happen, if I only swap the cluster and the pcm ?
The last step on this will be to get hands on a PT Cruiser cluster and see if this works, too. These cluster are a lot easier to get.
If all these things are finished - ABS is the next on my list
So I think I am very lucky to have found a set in autostick, NGC and miles.
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Next step is to try the autostick-cluster parallel to see if that will work. Then - for warmer days - I´ll swap the cluster and the pcm.
Here I think the immobilizer out of the same car will help a lot for getting it work. Or do you know, what will happen, if I only swap the cluster and the pcm ?
The last step on this will be to get hands on a PT Cruiser cluster and see if this works, too. These cluster are a lot easier to get.
If all these things are finished - ABS is the next on my list
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IDK if the light is a result of the PCM's being different, or if it is a wiring difference. I have an R/T pcm, and an R/T cluster... Maybe I should install the bulb, and see if it goes out. I believe I installed the cluster before the PCM. I have a bulb burn't out by the tach anyways...
Bill
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
2000 Neon MTX swap with '02 R/T PCMOlha Koba, a psychologist in Kyiv, said that “anger and hate in this situation is a normal reaction and important to validate.” But it is important to channel it into something useful, she said, such as making incendiary bombs out of empty bottles.
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
working !!
ok - or the next thing is to install ABS as well
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Could not have been waiting to go on with the work, so I tried today
Took my Adaptor and connected the A/S-Cluster on my 2000 LE
(only Ground, B+ on 15 and PCI-Bus):
This is what it looks like on my SXT:
For comparison my non-A/S-cluster on the SXT:
While the first two tests the display showed up the gears selected correctly, but then the cluster looked like the first picture above.
The wiring diagramma says PIN9 has to get B+, too on the A/S-clusters - so I installed that on my Adaptor and now it is working:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hidudCSf ... er&list=UL
Long story short:
I took my Adaptor which routes ground, B+ and PCI into the parallel 2nd cluster (just for testing). On the A/S-cluster B+ on Pin 15 and 9, ground on 10 and PCI on 2.
Now I could shift as I like and the dispaly shows up the right gears including autostick and the gears from 1 to 3. While shifting from 1 to 3 I can hear the trany working.
Had not tested this thing driving, but am sure it will work as my SXT now behaves like the original autostick-equipped neon I had for a testdrive time ago.
Next is to wire it all up correctly and safe and install the other (A/S) PCM to avoid the brakelight lit.
Other thing I stay tuned is to try a PT Cruiser Cluster
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Could not have been waiting to go on with the work, so I tried today
Took my Adaptor and connected the A/S-Cluster on my 2000 LE
(only Ground, B+ on 15 and PCI-Bus):
This is what it looks like on my SXT:
For comparison my non-A/S-cluster on the SXT:
While the first two tests the display showed up the gears selected correctly, but then the cluster looked like the first picture above.
The wiring diagramma says PIN9 has to get B+, too on the A/S-clusters - so I installed that on my Adaptor and now it is working:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hidudCSf ... er&list=UL
Long story short:
I took my Adaptor which routes ground, B+ and PCI into the parallel 2nd cluster (just for testing). On the A/S-cluster B+ on Pin 15 and 9, ground on 10 and PCI on 2.
Now I could shift as I like and the dispaly shows up the right gears including autostick and the gears from 1 to 3. While shifting from 1 to 3 I can hear the trany working.
Had not tested this thing driving, but am sure it will work as my SXT now behaves like the original autostick-equipped neon I had for a testdrive time ago.
Next is to wire it all up correctly and safe and install the other (A/S) PCM to avoid the brakelight lit.
Other thing I stay tuned is to try a PT Cruiser Cluster
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Almost makes you want to go ATX, doesn't it?
::Quickly runs away::
::Quickly runs away::
Bill
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
2000 Neon MTX swap with '02 R/T PCMOlha Koba, a psychologist in Kyiv, said that “anger and hate in this situation is a normal reaction and important to validate.” But it is important to channel it into something useful, she said, such as making incendiary bombs out of empty bottles.
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
This should not work - look on my 1st picture which shows the A/S-cluster connected on my mtx 2000. Otherwise you could get that A/S-odo and solder your own wires onto the display but then you have to find something to control that right.
Now we are back on the PT cluster - does no one have any PT cluster to tear apart and see what that odo looks like ?
Now we are back on the PT cluster - does no one have any PT cluster to tear apart and see what that odo looks like ?
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Glad I ran to avoid that beat down.
Glad John isn't far behind me in age, so he doesn't catch up.
You could make the MTX display the gears with some kind of switch arrangment at the shifter that is pressed when in that gear.
Figuring out how to translate that into the PCI bus code to illuminate the indicator would be the act of genius.
Glad John isn't far behind me in age, so he doesn't catch up.
You could make the MTX display the gears with some kind of switch arrangment at the shifter that is pressed when in that gear.
Figuring out how to translate that into the PCI bus code to illuminate the indicator would be the act of genius.
Bill
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
2000 Neon MTX swap with '02 R/T PCMOlha Koba, a psychologist in Kyiv, said that “anger and hate in this situation is a normal reaction and important to validate.” But it is important to channel it into something useful, she said, such as making incendiary bombs out of empty bottles.
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
Any specialist in reverse-engineering here ?
Ok - then a good place to put an indicator in could be this on the non-A/S-clusters
- something like this but a lot smaller and just one digit
link
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Found this here - very interesting I think: link to PT Cluster here
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A single digit display would work. Just need to program the chip for it. Could use different resistors, or something, to indicate what switch is what gear. Would work up to 9 speeds. Could use zero for neutral, if it won't display letters.
Bill
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
2000 Neon MTX swap with '02 R/T PCMOlha Koba, a psychologist in Kyiv, said that “anger and hate in this situation is a normal reaction and important to validate.” But it is important to channel it into something useful, she said, such as making incendiary bombs out of empty bottles.
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
Now it is proofed:
a PT Cruiser Cluster should work in a neon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUtMCVsM-a4
and a PT Cruiser Autostick Cluster works in a Neon SXT ATX making Autostick functioning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MktIKfW53Ys
Many thanks to Neil from SRT-Forums helping me to get a us-PT Cruiser Cluster with Autostick
What I did: getting my selfmade OBD to whatever-Adaptor, wiring up the black 26-pin plug to the needs of the PT Cruiser Cluster and connected.
So as we learned time ago, two clusters will work parallel.
It threw me a code P0462 for low fuel level sensor ( as well as it did when I tried the neon autostick cluster), but I´m sure, if wiring up that, too or installing a resistance for the input on the 2nd cluster will fix it.
I wired a regular PT Cluster first, just on the black 26-pin-plug Pin 1 ground, 14 B+, 26 PCI - all from OBD
worked
then the Autostick-cluster - nothing
remembered on the neon-autostick-cluster I had to connect two more cableshoes. So started to search for a PT Cruiser 2004 wiring diagramma. Result: connected Pin1 and 2 with ground, 14 and 15 with Power and 26 PCI - working
(Don´t forget, you need the Autostick-Shifter be connected to the shift-up and shift-down pins on the PCM AND power the shifter, too.
Maybe you should be able to use any kind of momentary switch and have your standard-shifter in (3) - but that is not proofed yet.
By the way - the PT Cluster has a 2nd (white 8-pin) socket for :
1 - fog lamp switch output
2 - VTSS indicator driver (what´s that ??)
3 - empty
4 - empty
5 - empty
6 - rear fog lamp switch output
7 - panel lamps dimmer signal
8 - empty
9 - fuel level sensor signal (use this next time)
10 - empty
Will post some pictures of the PT cluster (and disassembling it) soon.
So now feel free to upgrade to autostick easylie.
Get you a PT Autostick Cluster and use it as a Autostick-dongle while keeping your regular cluster installed.
Other thing might be to build up a custom cluster with a PT Cluster instead of the neon-cluster
a neon - what else ?
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Good work!
Bill
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
2000 Neon MTX swap with '02 R/T PCMOlha Koba, a psychologist in Kyiv, said that “anger and hate in this situation is a normal reaction and important to validate.” But it is important to channel it into something useful, she said, such as making incendiary bombs out of empty bottles.
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
got it - I don´t wanted to wait any longer and made a test drive with the PT Cluster parallel
Sorry for the crappy videos, but I unfortunatelly had only two hands (one for the camera, one for shifting...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_p7MulB ... e=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTr8H7kB ... e=youtu.be
And here is what the trany is doing:
Normal behavior in "D", Autostick in "Autostick" - means shift from 1 to 4 like you ever like and back.
4 only at speeds more than 15 or something.
Shift up to 4 at speed pretty earlier than "D" would do.
If you are in 4 or something higher than 1 and are slowing down or stopping it shifts down itself down to 1. When going to accelerate YOU HAVE TO shift up yourself manually again.
Now have to fix the code and further noticed, that the radio display flashes, when 2nd cluster is on.
Oh - btw. you have to attach the 2nd cluster before starting the engine
*** Would love to read from now on less "help - I want to go MTX" and more "help - I´m going to keep my ATX and make it Autostick" - Projects ***
Sorry for the crappy videos, but I unfortunatelly had only two hands (one for the camera, one for shifting...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_p7MulB ... e=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTr8H7kB ... e=youtu.be
And here is what the trany is doing:
Normal behavior in "D", Autostick in "Autostick" - means shift from 1 to 4 like you ever like and back.
4 only at speeds more than 15 or something.
Shift up to 4 at speed pretty earlier than "D" would do.
If you are in 4 or something higher than 1 and are slowing down or stopping it shifts down itself down to 1. When going to accelerate YOU HAVE TO shift up yourself manually again.
Now have to fix the code and further noticed, that the radio display flashes, when 2nd cluster is on.
Oh - btw. you have to attach the 2nd cluster before starting the engine
*** Would love to read from now on less "help - I want to go MTX" and more "help - I´m going to keep my ATX and make it Autostick" - Projects ***
a neon - what else ?
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