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Post by FAC3L3SS » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:01 pm

Before I get flamed, I want to announce that I have searched and cannot conclude anything from the specs I'm looking at.

I have 16x7 wheels with a +40 offset. I want to push them out further but not WAY out. No real poke, just right up to the fender or in line with it.

10mm for fronts and 20mm for rears would make the wheels sit "even" with each other, yes? If I was going to go to a 1" spacer I'd just get some 16x8s with a +25 offset, so don't tell me to go that route.

That makes the front essentially 16x7 +30 and the rears a 16x7 +20, yes? Is that going to sit right, give me poke, not be noticeable, etc. . .

All I'm asking for is a confirmation of that fitment and that my numbers are correct. Not looking for moral lectures on spacers and whatnot. I already know the cost to doing it right and I'm not skimping on that.

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Post by Arro » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:11 pm

1" seems a bit much for the front with 7" +40 wheels. What tires are you running? 205's? 215's?

I have long considered running spacers in the back for a wider rear track.... I run with 1.5 deg. camber in the back and a 1" spacer back there would just tuck me into the rear quarterpanels nicely.
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Post by ThatKevin » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:17 pm

Arro wrote:1" seems a bit much for the front with 7" +40 wheels. What tires are you running? 205's? 215's?
He's not interested in going with a 1" spacer. Read his original post again :rofl:
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Post by Arro » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:22 pm

Ahhh yes my long day got the better of me.

Maybe a 7mm spacer? HEY there is a way you can TEST this!

Get you some washers at Home Depot. Double them up, triple them up, whatever. Mount the wheel and snug down the lugs and roll around a bit to settle the suspension properly. Get it where you like it, then whatever thickness is that stack of washers is the size spacer you should go with.

Just DO NOT DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD ON WASHERS!

But otherwise, YES this trick works for playing with spacing, using super cheap washers. I know, I did it on two different cars to figure out what size spacer I wanted with the wheels I had. You'll probably want to go with longer studs, too.... unless the size you end up wanting is thick enough to be found as a hub-centric spacer, in which case the studs will be on it.

Give it a try!
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Post by FAC3L3SS » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:40 pm

That's not a bad idea. Obviously it's just all for fitment / looks, as I don't track the car or anything like that. I just have rolled fenders and the wheels look pretty sunk.

The hubcentric 20mm spacers have the studs on them, so no worries there. The fronts would be 10 most likely and they come with extended studs.

My other main concern is with the 20mm spacers the original studs stick out just a few mm, and my wheels don't have the little "cavaties" in the back so I'm not sure they'd sit flat on the spacer :/ I don't really want to go up to 1" though. Thoughts?
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Post by Arro » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:31 pm

They won't. You have to either grind them down (the studs), or drill into the wheels where the studs contact. The latter would be easy with a drill press and some careful measurements, but I would rebalance the wheel anyways.
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Post by FAC3L3SS » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:26 pm

Dang. I was scared of that :lol: I don't really want to do either of those.
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Post by INVUJerry » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:50 pm

Steven did 20/25mm on ACR BBS wheels. Looked great.

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Same spacers on 16x6 silverstones, 40mm offset, 25mm rear, 20mm front.

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10MM spacers wont have studs on them, they just slide on like smaller ones. You "can" just bolt them on without longer studs, but you shouldn't. Dante is doing 8MM of spacers with stock studs, no issue.

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Post by C1DoG » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:54 pm

Yeah... I have 10mm spacers on my rears and I had to replace all the lug studs. I have 10 on back and nothing up front.
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Post by FAC3L3SS » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:35 am

Right. Like I said Eibachs come with extended studs for the 10mm.

BBS are 16x7 +40, right? If so that's where mine'd sit and I'd gladly jizz all over that.
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Post by Danteneon » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:26 pm

I just installed the 20mm spacers on my son's Neon. Using the SRT wheels brings them out nicely. Like Jerry said, also using 8mm spacers up front brings the wheels out nice and even front and back.

You can use the 8mm with stock studs just fine. If you use the 20mm spacers, the OE studs will need to be cut down so they don't hit the wheel. A Dremel, 2 heavy duty cut-off wheels, and 15 minutes fixes that problem.
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Post by FAC3L3SS » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:41 pm

That's scares me haha. Mostly because if I want to go back to not using the spacers I have to replace the studs. Cheap and easy, I know, but meh. I guess once I commit to liking the stance I wouldn't have to take them off for anything.
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Post by Danteneon » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:49 pm

That was my thinking as well. And yes, studs are very cheap and easy to replace.
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Post by Arro » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:05 pm

btw, some chain company shops (Sears, Pep Girls, etc) have managers or assistant managers that freak out when they see spacers, and won't work on your car. I worked at one of these types of places and the guy there got a nicely trimmed out truck in the bay with proper (and not el-cheapo) hubcentric spacers. He told the guy to take his truck elsewhere because he was worried about "liability". So just be forewarned.
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Post by FAC3L3SS » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:53 pm

Arro wrote:btw, some chain company shops (Sears, Pep Girls, etc) have managers or assistant managers that freak out when they see spacers, and won't work on your car. I worked at one of these types of places and the guy there got a nicely trimmed out truck in the bay with proper (and not el-cheapo) hubcentric spacers. He told the guy to take his truck elsewhere because he was worried about "liability". So just be forewarned.
I work for a moderately large tire place :thumbup: any wheel or tire work will be done here, but I know my buddy at Discount has turned folks away for that.

I can always take spacers off and drive to whatever shop is working on my car if need be, but again that plays into "trimming" the stock studs.

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Post by Arro » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:17 pm

FAC3L3SS wrote: I can always take spacers off and drive to whatever shop is working on my car if need be, but again that plays into "trimming" the stock studs.
So... you can... but... you can't :P

Why do shop managers have to be dicks? Hub-centric is safe.
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Post by FAC3L3SS » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:32 pm

:rofl: Exactly! That's why I'd hate to commit to cutting. Then I can't just unbolt them and go for a quick trip at the shop.
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Post by Danteneon » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:14 pm

Some wheels have holes or cavities in between the lugs that the studs will fit into. If your wheels have that, you are golden.
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Post by FAC3L3SS » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:22 pm

Lucky for me, they don't!

Current wheels don't, anyway.
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Post by INVUJerry » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:25 pm

Take em to a shop and have divots drilled!
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Post by Arro » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:01 pm

^ what he said, assuming your wheel hubs can accept that. Which in most cases it's doable. Means only those wheels will be able to work with the setup tho. Which is what you want anyways.
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Post by occasional demons » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:51 pm

How much needs to be cut off the studs?

Because in reality, as long as the end of the stud is flush with a stock open nut when tightened down, it is as good as excess sticking through.

I wouldn't worry too much if the studs are flush with open acorn nuts. you have 100% thread engagement.
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Post by FAC3L3SS » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:43 pm

I have enclosed spline-drive lugs though. And I like them because they're simple and closed.
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Post by XxWhiteNeonxX » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:48 pm

FAC3L3SS wrote:Before I get flamed, I want to announce that I have searched and cannot conclude anything from the specs I'm looking at.

I have 16x7 wheels with a +40 offset. I want to push them out further but not WAY out. No real poke, just right up to the fender or in line with it.

10mm for fronts and 20mm for rears would make the wheels sit "even" with each other, yes? If I was going to go to a 1" spacer I'd just get some 16x8s with a +25 offset, so don't tell me to go that route.

That makes the front essentially 16x7 +30 and the rears a 16x7 +20, yes? Is that going to sit right, give me poke, not be noticeable, etc. . .

All I'm asking for is a confirmation of that fitment and that my numbers are correct. Not looking for moral lectures on spacers and whatnot. I already know the cost to doing it right and I'm not skimping on that.
adam, didnt feel like reading eveybody elses posts, But ive run 10mm spacers on the front and rear of my car with 7" 40mm offset wheels. There almost flush when i do so.


Obviously your not stupid, but ive seen a few members on here do this, so i figured id mention it. Make sure if your going with more than a 3mm spacer to get extended wheel studs.

Arp and eibach make some pretty good studs. Iirc the fronts from a lexes is300 work and are the correct knurl size and everything. Hope this helps.


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Post by FAC3L3SS » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:28 am

Yessir! I'm glad I got some confirmation. I read it on the org and hadn't pulled the trigger yet because it still seemed sketchy.

Flush is what I'd want. I don't need poke.
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Post by XxWhiteNeonxX » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:31 am

FAC3L3SS wrote:Yessir! I'm glad I got some confirmation. I read it on the org and hadn't pulled the trigger yet because it still seemed sketchy.

Flush is what I'd want. I don't need poke.
go with the eibach 10mm kit. They have really nice spacers
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Post by FAC3L3SS » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:48 pm

I think I may grab that kit for the fronts, Cody.

Another question that maybe one of the greats on here can help me with. . . as I've been continually pondering...



My wheels are 5x100 / 5x114. Instead of putting 20mm spacers on and cutting down the stock studs a little bit, could I get 5x100 -> 5x114 adapters that are 20mm? Then, theoretically, wouldnt the tiny bit of studs sticking out past the spacer sit right into the 5x100 holes in the spacer? Yes, I know then I'll use the 5x114 to bolt the wheel on but I don't care because this makes it completely reversible.

Is my logic way off? Am I just going to have to bite the bullet and try it?
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Post by sidepipe87 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:26 pm

This doesnt sound right... If you cut the studs off flush how would you put a nut on it to hold the spacer to the hub? Youd be bolting the wheel to the spacer which would just be sitting on the hub unless im not understanding these specific bolt on spacers.

If the spacer is thick enough to sink the nut into it (which i guess itd have to be for adapters) then yeah it should work

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Post by FAC3L3SS » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:07 pm

Yeah, they're 20mm thick.

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The problem arises where the factory studs stick out past the spacer a tad, and hit the wheel. it'd only be cutting off like 2-3mm of the stud, but I don't care to do that even.

With adapters, the factory stud will poke into the 5x100 lug holes a bit, but the wheels will actually be mounted on the 5x114.

Only problem is, I can't find these adapters being made in 20mm. Only 1", and if I wanted an inch I'd just go 5x100 -> 5x100 because those wouldn't require any trimming.
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