Ohio E-Check And E-85

relenger · Post by **relenger** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:09 am

So i was told Ohio does E-Check's. I was woundering if i run E-85 for the check if that would be a better idea???
Are the checks the same for a Car running E-85?
Do they have a CAT?

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:10 am

Emissions? It will probably be cleaner emissions on e85, but if it's OBD2 readiness check, then it won't matter at all.

relenger · Post by **relenger** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:22 am

esteinmaier wrote:Emissions? It will probably be cleaner emissions on e85, but if it's OBD2 readiness check, then it won't matter at all.

Thats what i was thinking... As far as the OBD2 readiness check. How does that work if they cant connect at all??? Im running a AEM EMS http://www.aemelectronics.com/engine-ma ... ms-ems-10/

They do the test with the car running or can you turn it off and they just check for codes????

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:26 am

If they can't connect to the car, you fail.

I doubt there are ways around it because of the federal emissions laws.

Post by **Diablo0** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:32 am

E-Check = Emissions in Ohio. Not all of Ohio is required to do E-Check. About 4-5 years ago several parts of the state eliminated the program with only the Cleveland area still keeping it on...

http://epa.ohio.gov/dapc/echeck/whyeche ... n_cos.aspx

If you aren't moving to the Cleveland area you won't need to do the E-Check based on what I remember.

relenger · Post by **relenger** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:42 am

Diablo0 wrote:E-Check = Emissions in Ohio. Not all of Ohio is required to do E-Check. About 4-5 years ago several parts of the state eliminated the program with only the Cleveland area still keeping it on...

http://epa.ohio.gov/dapc/echeck/whyeche ... n_cos.aspx

If you aren't moving to the Cleveland area you won't need to do the E-Check based on what I remember.

Yeah, im moving right next to cleveland..... Lake wood i think its called

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:44 am

Then you're going to want to see about applying for a race car exemption.

relenger · Post by **relenger** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:25 pm

esteinmaier wrote:Then you're going to want to see about applying for a race car exemption.

What is that??? would it still be road legal?

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:18 pm

In IL, it only legally lets you drive on public roads to and from sporting events. Which basically means you are on your own as far as lying to the cop if you get pulled over.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:11 pm

Damn, I was going to recommend collector plates, but they tightened down the rules for them. You may be able to swing them if you had an R/T or an ACR, since the production numbers are lower.

http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/sp_collector.stm

I guess getting these to avoid E check caught on....

neon01rt · Post by **neon01rt** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:56 pm

im a emissions inspector in maryland im not sure how much different they do but if the car is a 96 and higher we do obd2 and when you turn the key to on the check engine light should come on and then when u start it, it should go back off and if that happens you pass and if you just recently had disconnected the battery or had work done to it then you would get unset readiness codes but thats the process in maryland not sure about how different it is at your place but hope that helps

relenger · Post by **relenger** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:24 am

neon01rt wrote:im a emissions inspector in maryland im not sure how much different they do but if the car is a 96 and higher we do obd2 and when you turn the key to on the check engine light should come on and then when u start it, it should go back off and if that happens you pass and if you just recently had disconnected the battery or had work done to it then you would get unset readiness codes but thats the process in maryland not sure about how different it is at your place but hope that helps

Crap...... I wounder how hard it would be to make a program that Ran fake codes to trick the OBD2 code checker...... Do they check the VIN in the dash or the door or do they not check vins???

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:43 am

Hm. Was not aware ANY of ohio had emissions checking.

glad I'm no where near Cleveland

neon01rt · Post by **neon01rt** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:06 pm

well if its relatively close to what we do they get your tag and last four of the vin and run that through the computer system to bring up your info like year make model passenger or truck best thing to do is unplug your battery b4 u go in and get tested and then your computer wont be ready for testing then leave come back a couple days later and unplug the battery again b4 u go and u should go through at least thats how our system is so im not sure if they are any different there or not

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:43 pm

The last I knew, if it wouldn't pass, you had to show receipts of at least $300 in an attempt to make it acceptable. If it still didn't pass, then they would give you a waver for 2 years to get it repaired or replaced. If it doesn't pass after the two years, you don't get plates.

So, at the worst you're giving a shop $300, and you get a pass for 2 years, and hope you are moved to a non emissions area by then.

You could always get a PCM, coil, injectors, all the needed sensors, and build a fake "engine" in the trunk. But if they run it on the dyno, you're hosed, unless you can tie into the VSS to give it a speed/distance signal. If you could link to the PCI buss, it may just work...

Not holding my breath tho.

neon01rt · Post by **neon01rt** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:47 pm

so you have the dyno to we just got ours out back in like september the company got 1.5 million just to take them out at 19 different countys and was sold off to somewhere else

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:52 pm

The last time the GF's car was tested, they used the dyno. It is OBDI.

But that was over two years ago.

mrgto68 · Post by **mrgto68** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:58 pm

neon01rt wrote:im a emissions inspector in maryland im not sure how much different they do but if the car is a 96 and higher we do obd2 and when you turn the key to on the check engine light should come on and then when u start it, it should go back off and if that happens you pass and if you just recently had disconnected the battery or had work done to it then you would get unset readiness codes but thats the process in maryland not sure about how different it is at your place but hope that helps

Neon01rt

I've got a question for your regarding engine swaps and MD emissions VEIP check. Here is the scenario... Say you have a 2000 Neon with a complete drivetrain swap from a later 2gn car like an 02 R/T. This includes the PCM for the swapped in drivetrain. When you bring the car to the VEIP station and the car is plugged into be tested the VIN on the car and the registration would be different than the engine PCM. Would this cause the car to fail MD emissions?

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:05 pm

Don't expect him to come back. He got a little, shall we say pissy last night.

Your best bet is to email him if you want to get in touch with him.

mrgto68 · Post by **mrgto68** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:12 pm

racer12306 wrote:Don't expect him to come back. He got a little, shall we say pissy last night.

Your best bet is to email him if you want to get in touch with him.

Thanks, I appreciate the heads up. If you have any thoughts or info on my question I'd be intereested the hear it as I see you are also in MD. I just don't know if they would fail a car where the PCM VIN doesn't match the chassis VIN because of a swap of a later drive train.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:56 pm

They wont, they don't go that in depth in testing here. As long as you don't have a CEL, and it does light up with the key on you're fine.

Most of the time, they don't even look at your car's vin here. My buddy got a Cavalier passed using a Cobalt.

Illegal, and I would not recommend it.

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:53 pm

Yeah, the couple emissions test I've had done with an OBD-II computer consisted of making sure there was a cat, testing the gas cap and checking for codes.

That was it. My wife recently took her Caliber in for her emissions check and she said they just checked for codes, didn't run a mirror under to check for a cat or anything, just the computer.

I would keep all available documentation just in case though.

n20sxt · Post by **n20sxt** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:51 pm

Im in the same boat as you man... already a month late on my sticker

Do me a favor and try this out

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2607274