Land of the Free?

JRM · Post by **JRM** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:42 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16472777/

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:46 pm

i don't even WANT to know what that article is, becuase chances are, it's going to piss me off.

Post by **racer12306** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:54 pm

I'm not even going to use an acrynym on this

WHAT THE FUCK

I'm going to leave it at that and not express my political views, because it could get heated here.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:56 pm

damnit... you had to arrouse my curiousty....

*reads*

Welp, I'm never sending things through the mail.... that's BULLSHIT.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:07 pm

open my mail once....see how quickly i flip

Bella Lugrossi · Post by **Bella Lugrossi** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:52 pm

and people wonder why i hate bush. i hope this country doesn't go to complete shit before his lame excuse for a presidency is over. that's all i am going to say on this.

rOniN · Post by **rOniN** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:59 pm

I have nothing to worry about...I'm not sending bombs or chemicals in my packages. Hell...I barely use snail mail anyway.

It's just like when you say bomb on the internet...they know about it. It wont bother any of you unless you are doing something seriously wrong. And even then it probably wont bother you.

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:00 pm

Bah, it means nothing to me. I don't see what the big deal is, other than it is "possibly" a "violation of constitutional rights". I really do not know where it says in the constitution we have a right to privacy.

Besides, I am the BOMB.

rOniN · Post by **rOniN** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:26 pm

^^^Watch out which places you walk into with that attitude lol

Neonix · Post by **Neonix** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:59 pm

The way I see it, if they open my mail because they suspect me of something, then I have other more serious issues going on, considering I don't do anything to warrant a search of my mail.

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:10 am

That's just it... someone else may think that there is a reason to open your mail even if you don't think that there is a reason.

Neonix · Post by **Neonix** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:24 am

Midnight_Rider wrote:That's just it... someone else may think that there is a reason to open your mail even if you don't think that there is a reason.

Then they'll be happily disappointed.

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:30 am

I'm not up to anything that the government needs to be concerned about but I still wouldn't want them snooping in my mail. This doesn't improve my feelings about our current president any.

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:49 am

Bella Lugrossi wrote:and people wonder why i hate bush. i hope this country doesn't go to complete shit before his lame excuse for a presidency is over. that's all i am going to say on this.

Post by **Diablo0** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:43 am

Ugh... I hope they don't open mine. I don't want them to see what sort of pr0n or 'toys' I order online

Just kidding

But really... yah security comes at a price but some things are taken a little far like this. I have nothing to hide and really the only mail I get are Credit Card offers

I watched these videos a few weeks ago and it's very interesting and makes you think twice about some things are done in this country... I was going to post them but each video is about an hour long so I figured it was a waste of time since no one would watch

They make you open your eyes though and give you some history on how things came to be.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/powerofnightmares

Video 1 of 3
Video 2 of 3
Video 3 of 3

I also though this was interesting. It may not be totally relevant but here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEqtaWpKEU

CrashTeam · Post by **CrashTeam** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:40 am

I wonder if they even bother to scotch tape it back up after violating all your personal libertys...

bige1030 · Post by **bige1030** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:02 am

kc2002acr wrote:Bah, it means nothing to me. I don't see what the big deal is, other than it is "possibly" a "violation of constitutional rights". I really do not know where it says in the constitution we have a right to privacy.

Oh, my gosh! Have you really not heard of the Fourth Amendment?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:11 pm

^^but upon probable cause...

See, even our founding fathers were vauge.

nice try, but there is NOTHING in the constitution that says we have a RIGHT to PRIVACY, the government just has the RIGHT to do what they want...with probable cause.

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:34 pm

Yeah this isnt new i had a package of mine opened and then resealed at the post office with a letter stating that they saw grease stains at the bottom of the package so they opened to make sure it wasnt hazzard, i was so mad iam like you tards its on the out side of the box cause thats where the box was sitting at before it was shipped, like who make OIL bombs

Post by **Diablo0** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:49 am

KrackstaR wrote:Yeah this isnt new i had a package of mine opened and then resealed at the post office with a letter stating that they saw grease stains at the bottom of the package so they opened to make sure it wasnt hazzard, i was so mad iam like you tards its on the out side of the box cause thats where the box was sitting at before it was shipped, like who make OIL bombs

Better watch what you say, they're watching you now

Recently read also that Microsoft worked directly with the NSA on Vista to help in the security aspect and more or less make sure that it was also compatible with existing government software.

Hmmm... government software eh? Wonder what sort of software that is that the NSA would be using