Neon/Caliber AWD

v95 · Post by **v95** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:08 pm

would it be possible to do a caliber r/t awd system and stick it in a neon or would that be a big challenge

Post by **racer12306** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:24 pm

I would think that it would be a big challenge.

1. There is no place to mount the stuff on a stock Neon, lots of fabrication would need to be done.

2. You would have to swap the transmission to the Neon. Whether or not it would fit, I don't know.

3. Could run into wheel issues if the bolt pattern isn't the same.

excon · Post by **excon** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:13 pm

I'm no expert on calibers, but it looks as if the caliber is bigger. I'm guessing the AWD system would not fit because the physical dimentions are too big for the neon; you'd have to "trim" stuff.

matguy · Post by **matguy** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:29 pm

excon wrote:I'm no expert on calibers, but it looks as if the caliber is bigger. I'm guessing the AWD system would not fit because the physical dimentions are too big for the neon; you'd have to "trim" stuff.

What? You don't like the wheels hanging outside the wheel well? </sarcasm, which is probably sadly wasted on some>

excon · Post by **excon** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:33 pm

That's what i was thinking would happen if you tried to put the awd system in the neon! I had an image in my head of a neon going down the road with the wheels so far away from the body it looked like a wannabe mexican pickup

02goldse · Post by **02goldse** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:14 am

i had this idea already but with the awd talon...anythings possible but its the whole money issue part that everyone runs into..but it would be sick to have and awd neon..the talon might work but im not sure

v95 · Post by **v95** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:09 am

excon wrote:That's what i was thinking would happen if you tried to put the awd system in the neon! I had an image in my head of a neon going down the road with the wheels so far away from the body it looked like a wannabe mexican pickup

Whats wrong with a mexi pickup my old chevy looked like that. lol
But yeah sadly it was true

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:52 am

Just putting the world engine into a neon would be a big enough challenge. The oil filter/housing would prolly hit the radiator. Not sure on the track width, but the wheel/tire combo wouldn't fit in the wheel well w/o major trimming. If you used neon size tires it may work, but you would have some serious drag racing gearing.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:14 am

One of the problems to overcome is the engine mounting style. The Calibers use a Mitsubishi mounting set-up, which means the front and rear mounts attach to the lower portion of the block and attach to the K-frame. The K-frame itself is completely different. The driveshafts are completely different as well, as are the knuckles and hubs.

And that's just on the front.

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:42 am

Possible? With enough time, money, ingenuity, and patience...Yes. Worth all the trouble? No.

Just the issues outlined in the previous posts should be enough to turn you away from this one.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:53 am

people just need to understand, the neon and cailber are -nothing- at all alike.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:22 am

Opi wrote:people just need to understand, the neon and cailber are -nothing- at all alike.

Neon = compact car
Caliber = Crossover-ish, something. Casserole yeah, that's it.

http://www.campbellkitchen.com/Specialt ... v=1&rc=588

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:36 am

occasional demons wrote: Caliber = Crossover-ish, something. Casserole yeah, that's it.

That was a word I was looking for! Caliber = Casserole. I like it!

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:44 am

exactly, the caliber is a mini crossover. it's in the same class as the vibe and matrix. i don't think there are any others in that class.

however, it isn't technically a class.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:32 pm

Feh, mine is in a class by itself

bone-yard-racing · Post by **bone-yard-racing** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:47 pm

AWD neon is a challenge but I have put some though to it:
Closest engine from a mounting stand point:
4g63
2.2/2.5
3.0
Closest trans:
DSM awd
Caravan awd(only atx and only on a 3.0)
Rear sub-frame:
Your making one, use rear crossmember and where the gas tank used to be as referance points. The diff is going to be about in the middle of the rear cross member
Rear Diff:
DSM makes subframe and axles easier, RX7 is stronger and easier to find
Rear Hubs:
DSM is kind of sort of similar to us they may fit need DSM rear attachment points on the struts

Now find a way to make it run and keep it cool, oh and your subframes need to be about twice as beefy as you made them, you'll find that out after your first AWD burnout attempt

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:09 pm

bone-yard-racing wrote:Caravan awd(only atx and only on a 3.0)

The AWD system was available on the 3.3 (and possibly the 3.

only, not the 3.0

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:08 pm

Danteneon wrote:
bone-yard-racing wrote:Caravan awd(only atx and only on a 3.0)
The AWD system was available on the 3.3 (and possibly the 3.only, not the 3.0

That would be even better. The 3.8 should bolt in anywhere a 3.3 will. the 3.3 is a bit more compact than the 3.0 widthwise. While I liked my 3.0, the 3.3 will own it in stock form.

Danteneon wrote:Feh, mine is in a class by itself

I knew you would have something to say.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:46 pm

[quote="occasional demons

Danteneon wrote:Feh, mine is in a class by itself

I knew you would have something to say.

[/quote]

Of course!

The 3.3/3.8 was a much more compact design as far as the block goes. And yes, the 3.3/3.8 would pwn the 3.0 all day long.

bone-yard-racing · Post by **bone-yard-racing** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:14 pm

My bad I always screw the v6 stuff up.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:23 pm

Is ok. Hell, in 1997 the Caravan had 5 different engines available for it.

For bonus points, what were the 5 different engines? (don't answer that one Chris!)

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:07 pm

2.4, 3.0, 3.3, 3.5, 3.8

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:21 pm

Frank was close...no 3.5

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:14 pm

Danteneon wrote:Is ok. Hell, in 1997 the Caravan had 5 different engines available for it.

For bonus points, what were the 5 different engines? (don't answer that one Chris!)

Oh, me me!

I believe that is a trick question, because as far as I know there was technically only 4 options: 2.4, 3.0, 3.3, 3.8. The 2.4 just came with the option of 3 speed or 4 speed auto.

Do I win?!

sxtdude · Post by **sxtdude** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:56 pm

Here found this its an awd 1gn that some guys is building up.

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f ... 8884cad3ac

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:40 am

hul kogan wrote:
Danteneon wrote:Is ok. Hell, in 1997 the Caravan had 5 different engines available for it.

For bonus points, what were the 5 different engines? (don't answer that one Chris!)
Oh, me me!

I believe that is a trick question, because as far as I know there was technically only 4 options: 2.4, 3.0, 3.3, 3.8. The 2.4 just came with the option of 3 speed or 4 speed auto.

Do I win?!

Nope, no win for you

OK, OK...this is a pretty hard one mainly because the 5th option was rarely ever seen outside of government fleets.

There was an electric motor version produced for a few years. Ford had the electric Ranger, GM had an electric...something (may have been the S10) and Dodge had an electric Caravan. Very rare.

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:46 am

So sly.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:55 am

Yep, told you it was a tough one

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:10 am

Danteneon wrote:Yep, told you it was a tough one

Meh...I don't like this game anymore.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:41 am

I was thinking of doing a pop-quiz thread of some sort. Every week I could have a obscure Neon/Mopar question to test everyones knowledge. Many of the questions would be in that same vain however