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Oh! I didn't know this was a competition. I'm sorry for not stroking your ego. Haha
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Oh you def. should. We could go camping. I got a tent. We can go all broke back mountain on each other. If you know what I mean haha
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Holy crap
All this bullshit needs to stop.
Just let it go.
All this bullshit needs to stop.
Just let it go.
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Wow. Why do the people who know nothing about cars flood the internet with their incompetence? ... Someone might actually think you were being serious and believe their 20 degree camber setup will actually work on the track. Then how would you feel when they slide off turn 1 due to misaligned steering linkage and minimal tire contact patch? Because that's all that's going to happen. Only once you take your nose outside the world of youtube videos and into the real world will you grow up.FAC3L3SS wrote:Hey wicked, ever see those guys with crazy camber on the track? Hmmm....MIGHT be useful.
I wouldn't feel bad at all. I didn't claim to be an expert, either, but I DO know camber is used in certain applications and that's all I was insinuating.UriahRR wrote:Wow. Why do the people who know nothing about cars flood the internet with their incompetence? ... Someone might actually think you were being serious and believe their 20 degree camber setup will actually work on the track. Then how would you feel when they slide off turn 1 due to misaligned steering linkage and minimal tire contact patch? Because that's all that's going to happen. Only once you take your nose outside the world of youtube videos and into the real world will you grow up.FAC3L3SS wrote:Hey wicked, ever see those guys with crazy camber on the track? Hmmm....MIGHT be useful.
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I hate to say it, but I'm afraid that's already happened. Anyone remember Wiggy?UriahRR wrote:Wow. Why do the people who know nothing about cars flood the internet with their incompetence? ... Someone might actually think you were being serious and believe their 20 degree camber setup will actually work on the track. Then how would you feel when they slide off turn 1 due to misaligned steering linkage and minimal tire contact patch? Because that's all that's going to happen. Only once you take your nose outside the world of youtube videos and into the real world will you grow up.FAC3L3SS wrote:Hey wicked, ever see those guys with crazy camber on the track? Hmmm....MIGHT be useful.
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The only cars that benefit from excessive camber (most notably in front) are RWD drift cars that are relying on their front wheels to keep their car headed in the right direction while the chassis is literally sideways moving around the bend. As someone who gets into dozens of lengthy discussions every year on this (as I own a RWD car popular with drifters), I know very well that EXCESSIVE camber is NOT necessary in other situations (and certainly NOT FWD).
A LITTLE BIT of front camber is useful. But you know what? IMO anything over 1.5 deg. is bogus bullshit that just looks auto-fashionable.
You really wanna know where it all comes from?
Too bad. I'll tell you anyways lol.
RWD Jap cars w/ IRS and poor control arm design suffer terribly excessive negative camber that often can't be corrected without major modification to the control arms. Because racers wanted the lower center of gravity, and because the negative camber had the side benefit of allowing clearance of tire/wheel combos that would otherwise rub, it generally became accepted that lowered RWD cars w/ excessive negative camber and deep-dished or lipped wheels were typical. Over time, even desirable. It meant you lowered the car and got a wider "racing" wheel. Then came the drift craze alongside of that. Everyone wanted to drift.
So there were all those Honda humpers in their Civics, suddenly finding themselves no longer in the spotlight. Their cars were FWD and not "driftworthy" in the new craze. They couldn't sport the same deep-dished oldschool, banana-spoked Jap racing wheel styles. They were getting left out of the new fun! Oh noes!
So... some brave souls decided that the advantages that their Hondas DID have... were no longer worth losing the auto fashion spotlight over. So things like well-balanced FWD suspension setups w/ +44 offset racing wheels were simply tossed aside in favor of deep-dish, low-positive or even zero offset wheels designed for RWD.... but stuck on FWD cars with crazy stupid camber to make that shit "fit" (a term now used very loosely). Awesome, they were back in style! Now you see Honda kids sporting 7" XXR 04's designed for RWD low-positive offset cars, but running 2.5 or even more deg. of negatorre camber, and 195's for that extra stretched sidewall angle that lets them clear their FWD fender lips in relation to their hubs.
It's pathetic. If it was like Japanese bosozoku style that might be different.... intended to be crazy and way far-fetched for purposes of artsy glitz, not to be real "performance". But that's not what's happening here in North America, where kids throw on these terrible wheel/tire combos on FWD cars and try to play off their cars as "tuned".
And now we want to do that with American FWD? Pfft.
I'm all for slammed. Take that center of gravity low, lose that wheel gap, whatever. Not so sure I like the idea of running a biggie tire profile on a 15. Every time I drive through a puddle I'd think I was dunking a donut in coffee. I don't suggest we throw 18's with rubberbands on Neon cars, either.
16 or 17 to me seems reasonable for "slamming". Then again, what do you think "slammed" means? Because every other car community I've seen using the term isn't concerned with wheel gap or even wheel size. They're thinking about how low the chassis is. If you're dragging the car, it's slammed. They throw cigarette lighters and other smaller objects underneath the side rails or ground f/x to show their peers just how low you can go. Wheel fitment is important to them but not the goal, and often they even tuck the wheel up INTO the fender. "Wheel gap? Bitches, my shit is TUCKED."
So what are we really after here in this thread? You have people who put up pictures of 2GN's with little or zero wheel gap and reasonable camber, crying, "This is tastefully slammed." Then you have people in this thread who are following in the footsteps of the Honda kids, looking for ridiculous camber and exaggerated wheel fitment and calling that "slammed".
It all seems like a load of crap to me. But what do I know? I suppose it doesn't matter that my '85 200SX has ZERO gap, running zero offset 15x7's, with reasonable 195's in front and 205's in the rear. And modest camber. And it has flush-fitting fender arches, whereas my two 2GN's have tapering fender arches that will never let my wheels fit like that.
But like I said, what the hell do I know, really
There are cars in this thread I like. Then there are cars in this thread that make me realize that some people try too hard to win approval, all the while claiming they're doing what they do because they DGAF what others think.
So why do I come in this thread?
To laugh, to pick on, to praise. I'm no different than most of you really.
A LITTLE BIT of front camber is useful. But you know what? IMO anything over 1.5 deg. is bogus bullshit that just looks auto-fashionable.
You really wanna know where it all comes from?
Too bad. I'll tell you anyways lol.
RWD Jap cars w/ IRS and poor control arm design suffer terribly excessive negative camber that often can't be corrected without major modification to the control arms. Because racers wanted the lower center of gravity, and because the negative camber had the side benefit of allowing clearance of tire/wheel combos that would otherwise rub, it generally became accepted that lowered RWD cars w/ excessive negative camber and deep-dished or lipped wheels were typical. Over time, even desirable. It meant you lowered the car and got a wider "racing" wheel. Then came the drift craze alongside of that. Everyone wanted to drift.
So there were all those Honda humpers in their Civics, suddenly finding themselves no longer in the spotlight. Their cars were FWD and not "driftworthy" in the new craze. They couldn't sport the same deep-dished oldschool, banana-spoked Jap racing wheel styles. They were getting left out of the new fun! Oh noes!
So... some brave souls decided that the advantages that their Hondas DID have... were no longer worth losing the auto fashion spotlight over. So things like well-balanced FWD suspension setups w/ +44 offset racing wheels were simply tossed aside in favor of deep-dish, low-positive or even zero offset wheels designed for RWD.... but stuck on FWD cars with crazy stupid camber to make that shit "fit" (a term now used very loosely). Awesome, they were back in style! Now you see Honda kids sporting 7" XXR 04's designed for RWD low-positive offset cars, but running 2.5 or even more deg. of negatorre camber, and 195's for that extra stretched sidewall angle that lets them clear their FWD fender lips in relation to their hubs.
It's pathetic. If it was like Japanese bosozoku style that might be different.... intended to be crazy and way far-fetched for purposes of artsy glitz, not to be real "performance". But that's not what's happening here in North America, where kids throw on these terrible wheel/tire combos on FWD cars and try to play off their cars as "tuned".
And now we want to do that with American FWD? Pfft.
I'm all for slammed. Take that center of gravity low, lose that wheel gap, whatever. Not so sure I like the idea of running a biggie tire profile on a 15. Every time I drive through a puddle I'd think I was dunking a donut in coffee. I don't suggest we throw 18's with rubberbands on Neon cars, either.
16 or 17 to me seems reasonable for "slamming". Then again, what do you think "slammed" means? Because every other car community I've seen using the term isn't concerned with wheel gap or even wheel size. They're thinking about how low the chassis is. If you're dragging the car, it's slammed. They throw cigarette lighters and other smaller objects underneath the side rails or ground f/x to show their peers just how low you can go. Wheel fitment is important to them but not the goal, and often they even tuck the wheel up INTO the fender. "Wheel gap? Bitches, my shit is TUCKED."
So what are we really after here in this thread? You have people who put up pictures of 2GN's with little or zero wheel gap and reasonable camber, crying, "This is tastefully slammed." Then you have people in this thread who are following in the footsteps of the Honda kids, looking for ridiculous camber and exaggerated wheel fitment and calling that "slammed".
It all seems like a load of crap to me. But what do I know? I suppose it doesn't matter that my '85 200SX has ZERO gap, running zero offset 15x7's, with reasonable 195's in front and 205's in the rear. And modest camber. And it has flush-fitting fender arches, whereas my two 2GN's have tapering fender arches that will never let my wheels fit like that.
But like I said, what the hell do I know, really
There are cars in this thread I like. Then there are cars in this thread that make me realize that some people try too hard to win approval, all the while claiming they're doing what they do because they DGAF what others think.
So why do I come in this thread?
To laugh, to pick on, to praise. I'm no different than most of you really.
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No problemINVUJerry wrote:I love the looks of it but I love low cars on 14's. take a side picture when you get the chance.Norse wrote:Front is turned down pretty much all the way. Little bit more to go in the rear. It tucks the tire in the rear a little. Wrong offset and tiny wheels. The front tires rubs the inner wheel well's a little and the pinch welds off the rockers rubs the gavel in my drivewayBoosted22sxt wrote:I'm wondering if there down the whole way... if so maybe a larger wheel 15 or 16??
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I actually read all that, and enjoyed it. nice infoArro wrote:The only cars that benefit from excessive camber (most notably in front) are RWD drift cars that are relying on their front wheels to keep their car headed in the right direction while the chassis is literally sideways moving around the bend. As someone who gets into dozens of lengthy discussions every year on this (as I own a RWD car popular with drifters), I know very well that EXCESSIVE camber is NOT necessary in other situations (and certainly NOT FWD).
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I'm sure there have been numerous discussions here on 2GN about that already, but I'm open to starting a new thread so that we can contrast other setups based on new trends and misconceptions.
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