accelertion lag

[neon angel]

ok i have an o5 sxt atx i have cai custom exhaust i devently have more power but my accel sucks what can i do to get a better accel?

[MyNeonSaysHi]

You have an ATX, theres your problem. Theres like a 20% drivtrain loss through the automatic transmission. You are probably pushing 80hp at the wheels. A cold air intake won't really do much. You will gain a couple horses, but its mostly for sound. Plus you are plagued with the NGC. If you want more power, swap out the tranny and engine and put one of those ever so popular SRT-4 turbo's in your car. Then you will go fast. I am not trying to diss on ATX's, cause I have one and I know how flippin slow they are.

No swap? Not much money?

If you want to free up a couple more horses get a 60 mm throttle body a nice exhaust and one of those underdrive pullies. That should help out a tad bit. But some source of forced induction is your best bet for power.
I know others can add to this.

[OB]

60mm tb is good for low end kick from what i hear (well low end throttle response, that is.) do those work with atx tho?

otherwise, boost or nitrous.

[JRM]

yep tb works just fine with automatic. most parts arent specific for mtx or atx

[OB]

yep tb works just fine with automatic. most parts arent specific for mtx or atx

I know the older tb's from the auto 1gns are bigger than those of the same year mtx, just making sure thats not the case anymore.

[neonpla]

get rid of the atx, thats what you do.

[dinetuner]

yep tb works just fine with automatic. most parts arent specific for mtx or atx

I know the older tb's from the auto 1gns are bigger than those of the same year mtx, just making sure thats not the case anymore.

2gn TB are the same size the larger 52mm but it sucks they are now plastic so they cant be OB

[atom]

Theres like a 20% drivtrain loss through the

Where did u get this? I've never heard of such a thing the only thing i thought was that the gears changed slower.

[lilolneon]

nah, autos take some of the engines power to change the gears automatically. thats why a manual tranny gets better mileage cause you do the gear shiftin yourself and put the power to the wheels where it belongs.

And yes, the tranny is electroniclly controlled for shifting, but it still takes power from the engine to actually change the gears.

As far as a tranny swap goes its possible to be done. Theres several posts flying around here on whats needed to do it.

[grambo]

Neons have NO low end. It sucks ballz. Nothing starts happening until after 3250 RPM's on my car......and all my TB did was increase throttle response and the amount of gas "dumped" into the motor...my car feels SO slow lately.....
If you want the feel of a V8 buy the new GTI turbo...

[kc2005ptgt]

Have you changed plugs lately, Grambo?

It always helps my car. I wonder if it has anything to do with larger plugs??? I also wonder if I should go back to stock coil pack.

[grambo]

^The last set of plugs I put in were NGK Iridiums...I better damn well not need plugs....

[esteinmaier]

Theres like a 20% drivtrain loss through the

Where did u get this? I've never heard of such a thing the only thing i thought was that the gears changed slower.

You know how you stop the car and it's in gear but the motor is still running? Well, there's all your lost power. Auto transmissions are like a manual that has a slipping clutch. Otherwise it would die when you stop, and most people would rather do their makeup or talk on their phone than actually drive. More evidence of the McDonalds age.

[Panhead]

ok i have an o5 sxt atx i have cai custom exhaust i devently have more power but my accel sucks what can i do to get a better accel?

just do simple bolt-ons, get the magnum intake, 60mm tbi, UDP. it'll give you a little more pep.


i have had heard rumors that the autos that are controlled electronically do 15 lows. ask tamadrumer88, he knows.

[Mat]

I wrote this list out for another person on the site:

Fill your motor mounts with 3M windshield caulk
Put Falken Azenis tires on the front
Put on a race UDP and lose your A/C and P/S.
Used K&N air filter in the stock airbox
Gut the interior, lose the back seat, and take all the crap out of your trunk.

Good for faster accelleration for under $250.

You also might want to look into a manual valve body, trans cooler, and a stall converter.

[MyNeonSaysHi]

I Don't think they have a stall converter or manual valve body for 4 speeds. Why fill up the motormounts with caulk?

[Mopar00Neon]

Why fill up the motormounts with caulk?

Its a ghetto way of getting soild motor mounts. But it wont really do anything for acceleration.

[half_twisted]

Why fill up the motormounts with caulk?

Its a ghetto way of getting soild motor mounts. But it wont really do anything for acceleration.

if I may educate or specify what 3m item you need, Its 3m item #8609 URETHANE WINDOW ADHESIVE. when preparing to fill you have to wash and dry, than mask one side with tape then fill on the other. let it dry out for about 3-4 days to fully cure..

[Mopar00Neon]

Why fill up the motormounts with caulk?

Its a ghetto way of getting soild motor mounts. But it wont really do anything for acceleration.

if I may educate or specify what 3m item you need, Its 3m item #8609 URETHANE WINDOW ADHESIVE. when preparing to fill you have to wash and dry, than mask one side with tape then fill on the other. let it dry out for about 3-4 days to fully cure..

Oh, I know. We've done it ourselves. But Deyeme mounts are MUCH better. Theyre firmer and last longer.

[dawm]

ATX = horrible launch.. but when your actually moving its not that bad.. still no where near MTX power

[MyNeonSaysHi]

ATX = horrible launch.. but when your actually moving its not that bad.. still NO WHERE near MTX power

Fixed it for yah.

[SiberianNeon0]

I have an ATX 2002 SXT and I can tell you I have no idea what your talking about with them being slow. I thought neons have pretty good low end torque 132 isn't bad for a 2.0L engine stock. Afterall, the pickup these little cars had was their big selling point if I have done enough research.

It is true that they have a slow start, I do not argue. But no way is a manual more "powerful" than an auto. It's the same engine, just different computer. All you get from a manual is the ability to control where you're shifting. But no human can shift a car perfectly. Change your autos shift-points if you really think it sucks, but most drag-cars are 3spd autos anyways.

[03neonRT]

Its called "drivetrain loss" my friend, and autos have much more drivetrain loss than manuals...its especially more noticeable in low HP/TQ cars.

So while your ATX has the same crank HP and TQ, your putting down 5%-10% less power at the wheels.

[Mat]

Its called "drivetrain loss" my friend, and autos have much more drivetrain loss than manuals...its especially more noticeable in low HP/TQ cars.

So while your ATX has the same crank HP and TQ, your putting down 5%-10% less power at the wheels.

Bingo.

[BlackRoseRacing]

So while your ATX has the same crank HP and TQ, your putting down 5%-10% less power at the wheels.

5-10% loss is in the MTX's, try 20-30% loss with an ATX!!!

[03neonRT]

So while your ATX has the same crank HP and TQ, your putting down 5%-10% less power at the wheels.

5-10% loss is in the MTX's, try 20-30% loss with an ATX!!!

I was saying the ATX has 5%-10% more loss than the MTX...but yeah, even at that its still a low guestimation for drivetrain loss...oh well, thats why i dont own an ATX!