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OGneontuner · Post by **OGneontuner** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:26 pm

I have been sending e-mails to Mopar as well as Howell so i figure if we flood them with requests for a replacement for us 03+ NGC owners they might do something about it. Wishful thinking but like they say KEEP HOPEALIVE!!!

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:32 pm

my hope died when I met Mr. P0068

bombtrack07 · Post by **bombtrack07** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:59 am

mopar's involvement in the neon will prolly go no further than ground effects and taillights. it would be real damn nice to see something bypassing the ngc tho. until then i will continue adding torque!

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:47 pm

It really wouldnt be that hard for mopar to release a re-flashed performance pcm. hell they could charge $500 each and still sell 100's. They could even just wirte new software and have the dodge dealerships flash it into our existing pcm's and charge us $500.

I'v been told that the release of a performance pcm was restriced due to legal/money issues with emmisions certification.

I say we go to ma' mopar and chain ourself to the doors until we get a MP PCM

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:22 pm

Or just hire some computer programmer to hack the code. we have some nerds in our IT dept at my casino that probably know how to do all that - I have just not asked em yet.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:45 pm

Whats the email addy for mopar. I'll send a bunch of emails!

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:52 pm

maybe we should start a huge online letter of people saying they would be a reflashed/re....new ECU for the NGC'rs

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:55 pm

shoot, what about the 02's???? we got left out also - even by howell, and then we magnum owners are even more sca-rewed.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:50 pm

eastwoodsn352 wrote:maybe we should start a huge online letter of people saying they would be a reflashed/re....new ECU for the NGC'rs

Im up for that!

OB · Post by OB » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:52 am

the only bad thing about having some nerd reflash the pcm is that if we in any way made it public (either for sale or even simply by posting about its existance) there would be a major law suit from our friends at dcx. other than that, id be down for it.

neon god · Post by **neon god** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:56 pm

ok stupid question what is ngc?

skuttler · Post by **skuttler** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:25 pm

ok stupid question what is ngc?

something we don't have to worry about because our neons don't have it. It stands for next generation computer. It basically robs all 2003+ neons of any power they could potentially gain from modifying their cars. Kinna like this guy:

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t ... t=ngc+dyno

03sxt · Post by **03sxt** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:32 pm

Yeah, do a search for 'NGC' on here and read up if you're interested. It gets quite interesting and controversial sometimes...

OGneontuner · Post by **OGneontuner** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:08 pm

The e-mail add. i have for mopar is questions@choiceinternet.com

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:53 am

No e-mail, petition, or anything else will convince DCX to do anything further for the Neon. NOTHING. Dr. Z hated the car and it is dead to them.

tooslow · Post by **tooslow** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:19 pm

ngc sucks that is why mine was put out of a job. maybe some one should make a kit so it would make it easer too hook up ms? like every thing needed too do a edis setup with good instructions. And have good base map for na and one for turbo aplications.

03neonRT · Post by **03neonRT** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:24 pm

tooslow wrote:ngc sucks that is why mine was put out of a job. maybe some one should make a kit so it would make it easer too hook up ms? like every thing needed too do a edis setup with good instructions. And have good base map for na and one for turbo aplications.

That would be awesome, and if someone did that, i would switch to MS in a heartbeat if the funds were available.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:38 am

Just give it time for someone to crack the NGC....
DCx is no longer using that system and its only a matter of time before they sell the coding to someone to create performance controllers for NGC controlled vehicles...

tooslow · Post by **tooslow** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:22 pm

I wish we could get product like honda data. that would be the chit. Something you can pas emmisions with

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:29 pm

emmissions?!?! whats that?!!? lol i love living in alabama

tooslow · Post by **tooslow** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:35 pm

eastwoodsn352 wrote:emmissions?!?! whats that?!!? lol i love living in alabama

bastard

I might have too move too alabama

ChrisRT · Post by **ChrisRT** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:17 pm

BlackRoseRacing wrote:Just give it time for someone to crack the NGC....
DCx is no longer using that system and its only a matter of time before they sell the coding to someone to create performance controllers for NGC controlled vehicles...

You mean like AEM?

They released a standalone unit for the SRT4. Doesn't that use NGC as well?

I know the newer 4.7 Dakota's use NGC...

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:06 pm

Stand alone would be AEM's own R&D, not copied NGC.

If they no longer use NGC, what about the old 00-02 magnum code? By the way, what the heck is that called? OBDII?

bombtrack07 · Post by **bombtrack07** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:06 am

tooslow wrote:
eastwoodsn352 wrote:emmissions?!?! whats that?!!? lol i love living in alabama
bastard I might have too move too alabama

i've never heard of this "emissions" thing either; what is it? lol i'm right next door in north georgia bud, running straight pipes is awesome

tooslow · Post by **tooslow** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:11 am

lets face it companies are scared too get in the neon market. we will never get the parts or r&d that the others get. I say there is no way that there will be a performance ecu for the ngc 2gn. But I hope I get proven wrong.

ChrisRT · Post by **ChrisRT** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:50 pm

kc2002acr wrote:Stand alone would be AEM's own R&D, not copied NGC.

If they no longer use NGC, what about the old 00-02 magnum code? By the way, what the heck is that called? OBDII?

But, why would you need a copied NGC, when you can just P&P the AEM system? If the SRT4 uses the same harness as an 03+ neon, and they both use NGC, i can't see the problem.

tooslow · Post by **tooslow** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:01 pm

from what understand the pin lay out is different on the srt. but no one has tried it because no one wants too spend all that money for some thing that might not work.

rice_eater · Post by **rice_eater** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:13 pm

it would be more cost efficient and realistic to get a 2gn megasquirt KIT going... with all the tuning and shit needed, as much as possible

03neonRT · Post by **03neonRT** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:30 pm

OR i could just pay Tooslow a couple hundred to put together a setup for me (plus the cost of MS of course). lol.

OB · Post by OB » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:21 am

ChrisRT wrote:
BlackRoseRacing wrote:Just give it time for someone to crack the NGC....
DCx is no longer using that system and its only a matter of time before they sell the coding to someone to create performance controllers for NGC controlled vehicles...
You mean like AEM?

They released a standalone unit for the SRT4. Doesn't that use NGC as well?

I know the newer 4.7 Dakota's use NGC...

AEM's EMS is built from the ground up. no ngc mang.

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