20 inche wheels on a 2004 sxt?

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:49 pm

i know this sounds stupid but hear me out. 1. its an auto sxt 2. its an auto sxt 3. its my chicks car, she wants rims and i am thinkin instead of the usual 225-40-18 and a 2 inch drop that will bottom out etc. as she wont be doing any auto crossing anytime soon! go 225-30-20's with maybe a 1 inch drop, i am going to run the adjustable slip over coilovers that use the eibach springs. the 225-40-18's are approx. 25.08" od. and the 225-30-20's are 25.31" od. as you can see there is little difference overall od. with the adjustable coil overs i can run just a hair more that 1 inch of drop and fill in the fenderwell nicley. now before you all start ranting about this, i know the inherant effects of running a wheels this big are, acclerated brake wear, bearing wear, more weight rolling around, etc. i will offset some of this with a bigger brake kit and braided lines. i have found quite a few manufactures that make a 20 x 7.5 wheel with the right offset and bolt pattern, and a fellow out of nashville said he can do it no prob. already been done, i just want to expolre all things before i go forth. any info or suggestions other than running a smaller wheel would be great guys!

tamadrumr88 · Post by **tamadrumr88** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:40 pm

on stock non-srt struts the biggest you can go is a 215/35-19 i believe, with coilovers its unlimited until you start rubbing the fender

19's arent really neccessary to fill the wheel well... im on a 1.8" drop f/r on 205/50-17 and i only have a one finger gap in the front, and half of a finger in the rear... 18's are alot, it starts looking disproportianate after 18" wheels

but if you insist, go instead with a 215/35-18 or 215/35-19 just to keep your speedo somewhat correct

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:05 pm

k ur runnina 205 50 17, it is apporx. 25.07 in od. the 225 30 20 is 25.31 od. it is .9% difference. or .24 inches differnce. are u telling me that it is gonna make any differnce in clearnce or speedo readings than what ur currently running. not to sound like a smart ass, if i do i appologize, i do know that tire calculators are not 100% accurate, but close, and that wheel size and offset will play a big role in correct fitment, but as u see i am going to be running less suspension drop and a very very slightly larger od tire that is 10mm wider approx. i am going to be running gc sleeves with koni's and i believe the min drop is 1 inch which should get me in the ball park of what i am looking for. and being disproportionate is a opinion as much as 205 50 17's having 2 much sidewall.

srt-design · Post by **srt-design** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:56 pm

I say go for gold...

Bust out the monster truck wheels! like 4000/500/30 and put on some off road suspension like from a dodge ram. lol

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:19 pm

yeah then i will drive around a parking lot with mcdonald trays under my wheels! whoo hoo!

bigjim · Post by **bigjim** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:32 pm

go for it man i love big rims , bling bling

tamadrumr88 · Post by **tamadrumr88** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:46 pm

if you did any research youd realize that the only reason im getting away with 205/50-17 is because im on true coilovers... not that sleeve-crap that still uses stock-size spring perches which will prohibit you from running anything larger than a 215/45-17

i personally dont care how much my speedo is of, but you might, so i thought id mention it... dont call me out as a hyprocite

good luck

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:54 am

i stated if i was being rude i appologized so dont get anal bro, as for the true coilovers ur running i will be running a very similar setup as you can trim the konis and have what is essentially a full coil over, if i am wrong please correct me as i was thinking this would be the best setup for a minor drop but still retain a good ride not like the ebay crap. yes the sppedo is 6.9% off compared to factory but my local dealer swears he can readjust it so if not o well, i assume you are supporting the beliefe that something this tall will rub the lower spring pearch of the strut, if so can this not be cured with a correct offset wheel, and almost any wheel site will say a 225 40 18 will clear ie. tirerack, wheelconnection etc. if this is true so will a 225 30 20, i think everyone thinks 20's and automatically thinks of a doink or a escalade with huge 26's all chromed out, when in reality it isnt hardly any taller than what most of you are runnin now just more rim less tire, and for the bling factor they will be all black, flat black to be exact so no bling points, just differnt. how far do the rims on a srt or your 17's tuck in compared to the outer fenderwheel, just curious how far i can pull the rim out and stil clear the outer fender lip, i like to try diffrent things i got a friend with 24's tucked on a body dropped s-10 everybody said it couldnt be done, new tire sizes and an extremly good fab man made it happen, granted its not practical or finacially smart but he has done it and now a few others have too.

dblsg · Post by **dblsg** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:19 pm

my concern would be the ride quality... with a bigger rim you would be running rubber bands for tires... and as you probably already know, you will feel every little pebble your tires go over. 20's can be done... Krackstar is running 20's... he has an air bag set up, but that dosent really matter. your main issue is gonna be the strut perch. all you have to do is get rid of it... cut it off, bang it out the way, go with srt struts... you have plenty of options.

i'm also thinking that a 1 inch drop is hardly noticibly, and that is the reason why i am against the set up you have in mind. in my oppinion... big wheels look great, but only when you can tuck them in

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:35 pm

unless you have full coilovers that have NO spring perch(just big enough for those small coils to sit on), youll never fit any of those tire sizes you mentioned. STOCK sizes max out at 215/35r18, going any bigger than that starts to run into clearance issues. 19's are nearly impossible to fit with stock struts, if not totally impossible. If you want to run wheels that huge, you better get in line for a set of IPP, Mopar, or any other brand of full coilovers so you dont have that big spring perch sitting above the tires.....

As for WHY you'de want to run 20's on a neon, i dont know, that just makes the car look so tiny and very out of porportion.

Stick with normal sizes unless you wanna invest THOUSANDS(as coilovers arent cheap, and neither are 20's, or 20" tires)

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:23 pm

i got a good price on the wheels and tires, i got afriend at a tire shop. im lookin 1350 on the car, well then i guess we need a whole new discussion as to what coilovers to run, the ride comfort and durability would be my first 2 concerns, cost third, performance fourth, adjustability not realy inporatant. i know tein makes some at 1200 bucks yikes! anything in a cheaper price range, plus i we end up not liking the 20's at least we got a good set of coil overs to work with to run 17's or 18's, but once mounted ant the body kit on i think it will look killer, my buddy has a set on his lexus es300 looks good, dosnt look like 20's though, i know thats apples to oranges, i wil put apic up in day or 2

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:28 pm

you can throw ride comfort right out the window if you get 20's.....

even the ride on my neon is a bit harsh with 214/40r17's, and i've been in neons with 215/35r18's and thats even WORSE!

if you want a smooth confortable ride, dont change anything, lol, upgrading your suspension at all will make it stiffer and harder, thats just how things are, when you make it stiffer, you lose ride comfort in exchange for better handling...

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:41 pm

wurd but who makes the leeser of evils? i know running a 1/2 inch sidewall is goona kill ride confort but if i can compansate a little with a better coilover i will, what about the air ride though not a big fan of it on fwds, my friend kept ustin cv joints on his paseo and ended up taking them off. will air ride give me the clearance coilovers will? just throwing some stuff out there

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:01 pm

any kind of upgrade in general will make the ride stiffer.....

if you want decently smooth ride, go with some 17's and call it a day, depending on milage, eventually chance struts to monroe sensatracs...(for smooth ride, not for better handling)

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:52 pm

yeah i know but im not going that route, what is the cheapest decent coilover kit, and will i need camber plates if i go that route

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:54 pm

cheapest isnt always best, but as far as i know, ipp non adjustables(rebound isnt, height is) are the cheapest in price for the quality.

depending on how far you drop it would depend on if you need camber plates...

you can likely get away with just camber bolts, i have camber bolts in the front of my car with a 1" drop and i can still get it to be in spec, but i need to get camber bolts in the back cause i have a 1.75" drop back there.....

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:16 pm

what would be a good place to purchase the ipp coilovers and they wil give me the clearance that i am lookin for, oh i finally got off my lazy but and actually looked at the suspension and i can clearly see where there would be a clearance issue with any thing much bigger than whats on there more so on the back than the front but they both wont even be close to fittin without coilovers and i still think its gonna be close, also where is a goos site to check out some airride stuff thanks all for helpin me with my delimma

dblsg · Post by **dblsg** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:38 pm

yellowsxt23 wrote:also where is a goos site to check out some airride stuff thanks all for helpin me with my delimma

i good thing to do would be to go and buy a 'minitruckin' mag and go through their ads

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:50 pm

i might do some reaserch on airride, i know of a couple of guys on here with it right?, how long have they had it and have they had any side effects or prob. with the setup.

dblsg · Post by **dblsg** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:30 am

Krackstar
Crucialneon
Sullygully
SilverACR bagged couger, might be cylinders.
and that punk Dblsg

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:24 pm

do you know if any of these guys have had any problems with the setup minus the tourque struts hittin i know i wil have to het the ofset ones already

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:41 pm

10+10= DUBS

yes the ride quality is horrid you feel the white lines in the road but the look is nice IMO its nice this topic was brought up cause iam selling my dubs for $1000 without tires let me know they only have 300 miles on them if that seeing how I road to two shows with them and then started stipping the car. iam thinking of making my rims old enuff to drink if you know what i mean so let me know. PM if you got questions about the set up.

neon_ert3 · Post by **neon_ert3** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:29 pm

10+11=old enuff to drink

04sxt2.0 · Post by **04sxt2.0** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:38 pm

i thought about running 21's also, but i would have to change my suspension to bags, which is going to happen. but the tire that has to go on them has to be Really smallbut that would be cool, even 22" might look sick. but that is way to big for a little neon.

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:32 pm

did you have the air cylinders or the airstruts, air ride has just come out with some actual adjustable airstruts that are supposed to ride much better than the air cylinders, just curious as i have been told the air cylinders are very rough. i belive they have either rebound or compression adj. not sure which its on ther site. thanks for the help, and also no prob yet with axle shafts seperating etc., and how does it lay out on the 20's, as i said before i will be runnin 225-30-20's, i suppose they give as much clearance as coilovers, ie spring to tire or rim clearacne.

dblsg · Post by **dblsg** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:43 pm

^ according to silverAcr, you shouldn't run cylinders on a 2gn... at least not up front. apparently the front is under a lot of stress and tends to snap the cylinder rod.

mine are easy street and have a knob for adjustment... i havent really played with the adjustment as i have really only had my set up for about 3 months.

04sxt2.0 wrote:i thought about running 21's also, but i would have to change my suspension to bags, which is going to happen. but the tire that has to go on them has to be Really smallbut that would be cool, even 22" might look sick. but that is way to big for a little neon.

your options are endless, but your talking about having to cut the inner fenders... plus maybe having to extend the fender (wide body).

04sxt2.0 · Post by **04sxt2.0** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:52 am

and even re radiusing the fenders also. tire options aren't really endless, i work at a tire shop i know pretty much what is available for little tires, but also when you start going up in rim size the the width of the rim doesn't get any smaller. their mainly 9.5 and 10" wide rims, yeah you can get a 0 offset wheel with a massive lip seen that on that one SRT someon posted on here with the side bodykit just didn't look right IMO. it would be sick to approach someone about possible making a 21 or 22,X 7.5 the right size rims for your cars and see if their willing to get tires also, the tires wouldn't be cheap either, so.

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:19 am

yellowsxt23 wrote:did you have the air cylinders or the airstruts, air ride has just come out with some actual adjustable airstruts that are supposed to ride much better than the air cylinders, just curious as i have been told the air cylinders are very rough. i belive they have either rebound or compression adj. not sure which its on ther site. thanks for the help, and also no prob yet with axle shafts seperating etc., and how does it lay out on the 20's, as i said before i will be runnin 225-30-20's, i suppose they give as much clearance as coilovers, ie spring to tire or rim clearacne.

I have air ride but i havent heard good things about air struts as well, the two people i knew with airstruts have sold theirs to get airbags.

blue demon02 · Post by **blue demon02** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:32 pm

K-sport makes a set of true coil-overs for our cars for under a 1000. There is other options though.

Take the stock struts chop off the perch go to Ace hardware get four 2 inch inner diamiter barring washers have them welded in place of your perches then go get a cheap set of coil sleev's and then order a set of prgressive rate afco coilover springs. Set the sleeves on the new perches you had welded on and call it a day. Before you do the welding make sure you have the spacing correct. I would suggest cutting the perches off and putting the sleeve on temporally with just the set screws and then lowering the car on it to see if you like the ride height and make sure you can ajust the sleeve within the where you want it before you have the perch welded on.

Do not try and drive the car with just the set screws holding the sleeves up.

other option would be that groundcontrol makes a steal coil-over sleeve designed for converting struts to coil-overs. you could save your self some hassle and just have those welded on. you can get them much longer in length then the cheap coil sleeves and would be much easier to get the ride height correct.

yellowsxt23 · Post by **yellowsxt23** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:55 am

so from what i can see the easystreet and the new art air ride are very close in appearnce which dont mean anything, but if the ride is that bad i will just go full coilovers plus the cash i would save could go towards other mods

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20 inche wheels on a 2004 sxt?

20 inche wheels on a 2004 sxt?

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