Thermal R&D rear section...opinions?

SimonTemplar · Post by **SimonTemplar** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:41 pm

Whats your experience with the thermal piece?
Is it worth it?
Any performance gains?
How does it sound?

dawm · Post by **dawm** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:00 pm

everything ive heard about it is good good good. its basically a performance replacement for the stock r/t exhaust. Performance and Sound. And fits as if it was a stock piece.

Post by **Diablo0** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:13 pm

Yup, it's a nice piece, deffentially a quality product. Sound is good and with any exhaust on our Neons it'll only show about 3-5whp.

SimonTemplar · Post by **SimonTemplar** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:32 am

Diablo0 wrote:Yup, it's a nice piece, deffentially a quality product. Sound is good and with any exhaust on our Neons it'll only show about 3-5whp.

Hey diabio, since its just the rear section, would that attribute to the low numbers in gains?
Would another exhaust give better gains, a catback possibly; any suggestions?
Do you have any other systems to suggest for a good/nice sounding exhaust with quality performance gains?

I have an 03 R/T if that helps any.

noTe · Post by **noTe** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:37 am

SimonTemplar wrote:
Diablo0 wrote:Yup, it's a nice piece, deffentially a quality product. Sound is good and with any exhaust on our Neons it'll only show about 3-5whp.
Hey diabio, since its just the rear section, would that attribute to the low numbers in gains?
Would another exhaust give better gains, a catback possibly; any suggestions?
Do you have any other systems to suggest for a good/nice sounding exhaust with quality performance gains?

I have an 03 R/T if that helps any.

A N/A 2.0 motor isn't going to get anymore horsepower than 3-5 whp with any kind of exhaust.

SimonTemplar · Post by **SimonTemplar** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:43 am

thats fare...but would a catback yield better flow and better overall performance than solely a rear section?

noTe · Post by **noTe** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:44 am

SimonTemplar wrote:thats fare...but would a catback yield better flow and better overall performance than solely a rear section?

Extemely Little.

You'd be better off to just take the cat off.

SimonTemplar · Post by **SimonTemplar** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:49 am

noTe wrote:
SimonTemplar wrote:thats fare...but would a catback yield better flow and better overall performance than solely a rear section?
Extemely Little.

You'd be better off to just take the cat off.

well damn

noTe:
Would you know why the Thermal piece for the magnums is only the rear section and not a catback, but there's a Thermal catback forreg. neons; according to Modern Perf.

Post by **Diablo0** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:01 am

Plus you have an '03 with the NGC so you will probably see no gains lol

And yeah... larger piping will improve flow but we aren't talking HUGE gains there... probably another 1HP

SimonTemplar · Post by **SimonTemplar** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:09 am

Diablo0 wrote:Plus you have an '03 with the NGC so you will probably see no gains lol

And yeah... larger piping will improve flow but we aren't talking HUGE gains there... probably another 1HP

sorry dude, I'm not good with acronyms...whats NGC?
No gains!! Why?

Frizbe · Post by **Frizbe** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:27 am

Next Generation Computer, limits hp out put to 130hp, you can adjust the power curve i.e. more bottom end or top end but it wont go past 130hp. so you could technicly have a powerband as falt as the ocean, but it would all be at 130hp, until you got a stand alone ECU.

0111000001100100 · Post by **0111000001100100** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:35 am

linkinevo wrote:Next Generation Computer, limits hp out put to 130hp, you can adjust the power curve i.e. more bottom end or top end but it wont go past 130hp. so you could technicly have a powerband as falt as the ocean, but it would all be at 130hp, until you got a stand alone ECU.

How have you come to conclusion it limits you at 130 hp?

I believe people with ngc turbo's dyno a little higher than 130 hp

, plus stock hp is rated at 132

But it is true that a n/a NGC car will see minimal to no gains with standard bolt on's (intake/exhaust) but a udp, cam, N2O will yeild good performance gains. A turbo as well will yeild good gains, but not as good as a pre NGC car.

I think people just expect too much out of the mods, an ngc with turbo will still shave at least 2 seconds off a 1/4 mile et.

ram50rocket · Post by **ram50rocket** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:47 am

Unless you have all the bolt ons there is including a performance ecu and a bigger cam, long tube header etc. catback piping bigger than the stock 2 and 1/4" will probably lose you some precious low end performance. The only restrictions are the stock muffler and cat. coverter, which isn't really restricting much if you already have an R/T rear section. I increased my exhaust on my dodge 2.0 ram by 3/4 of an inch and it's at 2 " now. Unless it has some kind of boost, I say 2 and 1/4" is dam good for a n/a 2.0 4 cylinder. But that's just my opinion.

The thermal rear section is great, it sounds awesome in tunnels and parking garages. As for performance gains, I believe I gained but I can't really tell since I bolted a 60mm throttle body on at the same time.

JustANeon · Post by **JustANeon** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:07 pm

the reason for r/t's it is just the rear section is because the piping is already 2.25" where as on reg neons the piping is 2"

SimonTemplar · Post by **SimonTemplar** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:26 pm

hmm..well son of a...

Is the NGC only on the 03-04 R/T's or are all 2gn's affected by the hp restriction?

I have an intake and UDP on it and I've noticed that performance wise it's better then when i bought it in stock condition; ie-more pull (low and high end) and it seems like I've increased in hp and torque.

So once you get to a certain point, no matter what you put on it won't increase hp unless one puts in a new ECU to replace the NGC?
And then is a new ECU worth the $?

Basically its not worth it to bolt anything on.

Thanx 04YellowR/T for clearing that up for me.

0111000001100100 · Post by **0111000001100100** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:30 pm

SimonTemplar wrote:hmm..well son of a...

Is the NGC only on the 03-04 R/T's or are all 2gn's affected by the hp restriction?

I have an intake and UDP on it and I've noticed that performance wise it's better then when i bought it in stock condition; ie-more pull (low and high end) and it seems like I've increased in hp and torque.

So once you get to a certain point, no matter what you put on it won't increase hp unless one puts in a new ECU to replace the NGC?
And then is a new ECU worth the $?

Basically its not worth it to bolt anything on.

Thanx 04YellowR/T for clearing that up for me.

all 03+ have ngc, and ther is no hp 'restrictions'...you just don't gain as much as a former year neon would gain.

There is no performance ecu for 03+ either, unless you do a megasquirt.

When I put an exhaust on my 03, it helped prevent it from bogging down in certain situations(it used to bog real heavy for me when I shifted into second at just about any rpm) plus I like how it looks. Minimal bolt on's were worth it for me... but its up to you if its worth it for you.

Read up some:
http://www.neons.org/forums/viewtopic.p ... hlight=ngc
http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=298&highlight=ngc
http://www.neons.org/forums/viewtopic.p ... hlight=ngc

search is your friend

Frizbe · Post by **Frizbe** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:40 pm

overall PEAK HP will not increase, but like I said eariler you will be able to shit your powerband which is the difference you feel when you blot something on. I just rounded to 130 BTW and using boost kinda bypasses the NGC thats really the only way to make DYNO hp. I couldn't expalin how or why boost by passes the NGC but it does. Maybe we can get someone else (Diablo) to tell us?