ngc?

neon angel · Post by **neon angel** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:41 am

not sure if this is the place . but would i be able to take an 02/03 r/t or acr ngc/pcm and put it on my 05 sxt? and plse dont just say no plse tell me why?thanks

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:41 am

ive been studyin for awhile to whats the difference between the 02' and 03' (the start of ngc). there is some electronics that work different than the non-ngc. samething between the 02 and 03 r/t's. it wont be a direct swap. the engine harness and some sensors would have to be changed in order to use 02 electronics. but i am not sure what you exactly have to do so leave it the way it is for now and just do basic bolt on's, no major engine work is you plan to go that route.

also, you dont have a magnum engine so you wont be able to use an r/t pcm.

dblsg · Post by **dblsg** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:27 am

well, to my knowledge the plugs in the pca are different (along with some of the sensors)... my question is: are the wires the same color? if this is the case, why wouldn't we be able to take some conectors from an 02 and splice them in place so we can run an 00-02 pca?

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:23 pm

02 and 03 engine wire harnesses could be configured differently.

Post by **jonnymopar** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:50 pm

The only thing that I'm anxious to figure out (when I've got more time on my hands) is what exactly is the difference in the crank triggers. From everything I've read, that's one of the major things that is foiling the whole NGC => non-NGC conversion. I don't know if the cranks themselves are physically different.

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:26 pm

I am just going to be patient and wait for a flash or chip for the NGC. In the mean time I will be wrenching the bolt-ons.

Other than that I feel as if us NGC guys are beating a dead horse.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:45 am

jonnymopar wrote:The only thing that I'm anxious to figure out (when I've got more time on my hands) is what exactly is the difference in the crank triggers. From everything I've read, that's one of the major things that is foiling the whole NGC => non-NGC conversion. I don't know if the cranks themselves are physically different.

the cranks are physically different.

nofrills05 wrote:I am just going to be patient and wait for a flash or chip for the NGC. In the mean time I will be wrenching the bolt-ons.

Other than that I feel as if us NGC guys are beating a dead horse.

read towards the end.
http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=5881&start=90

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:37 pm

The crank wheel pulses at different patterns. Basically, if you put a pre-ngc ecu into an ngc car, it will not start, as the ecu will have no idea where the motor is in it's cycle.

sneakers O'toole · Post by **sneakers O'toole** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:13 pm

kevo wrote: read towards the end.
http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=5881&start=90

what happened to the thread? cease and desist?

lolelectricbluesxt · Post by **lolelectricbluesxt** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:03 pm

meathead wrote:
kevo wrote: read towards the end.
http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=5881&start=90
what happened to the thread? cease and desist?

x2

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:06 pm

meathead wrote:
kevo wrote: read towards the end.
http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=5881&start=90
what happened to the thread? cease and desist?

yup.

just not by dcx...

white2000neon · Post by **white2000neon** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:31 pm

I was talking to a guy at work and hes really good friends with a guy that flashes ecus and he said that hes gonna talk to him to see if he can flash our ecus and hes gonna try to see if we can have an ecu where we can flash it ourselves like the mitsubishi (dsm link) and the honda guys have (hondata). If so i think it will be a huge advancement for tuning in our cars. I'm not saying its a definite yet just throwing it out there. Also what did happen to the flash experiment thread?

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:19 pm

Not gonna happen. Even if they guy does get into it, and see the jumble of un-labeled code, what the hell is he going to do with it?

white2000neon · Post by **white2000neon** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:30 pm

We will see not saying that he'll be able to do it, but its worth a try.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:14 pm

esteinmaier wrote:Not gonna happen. Even if they guy does get into it, and see the jumble of un-labeled code, what the hell is he going to do with it?

disassemble the code.