Magnum Cam install...some q's

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:41 pm

I have an '01 Magnum cam that I want to install in my '05. Will I need anything else besides the cam and new gaskets? Like valve springs, etc? I did a search and did not find anything specific enough.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:43 pm

valve springs are not nessasary IMO, unless you want to feel safer. my dad has a magnum cam with stock valve springs with over 20k trouble free miles. i would recomend getting a cam sensor seal; you will most likely destroy this seal removing the sensor, its very fragile.

thats my two cents

srt-design · Post by **srt-design** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:17 am

i am in the exact same boat as you!!! i have a 2001 magnum cam that i want to put in my 05!

00element10 · Post by **00element10** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:14 pm

it might not hurt to get crane valve springs now, so that if you want to get a bigger cam down the road a little bit, you can and you wont have to replace them later on and still be sure you wont have any problems when you put the mag cam in. Ultimately up to you tho.

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:32 pm

Thanks for the input.

white2000neon · Post by **white2000neon** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:58 pm

Yea i say do springs just for the added security.

quicksilvr · Post by **quicksilvr** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:18 pm

My 2 cents is you don't need better springs for just the mag cam. If you're ever going with a bigger cam than that though, you'll want 'em.

Plus, swapping a cam is a one day job if you don't change the springs. If you change the springs, so hello to several more headaches.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:08 pm

i would change the springs. i got magnum springs but you can change the springs while the head is on the block.

http://www.ertyu.org/steven_nikkel/neon.html

it tells you what tool number you need to change the springs. its not hard, just time consuming.

im also in the same boat, just waiting for the warranty to expire.

00element10 · Post by **00element10** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:50 pm

shut up James! just put the damn cam in, put your exhaust on, hell i'll even give you a hand...on 2nd thought...it's kinda cold. They're not going to know the difference between the cams at the service center.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:58 pm

yea ill eventually get to it.

quicksilvr · Post by **quicksilvr** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:13 pm

How in the heck to you get the valve spring retainer keepers back on? I cannot even imagine trying to do that with the head on the engine still.....

If someone has done that without losing one down in the engine, I'm impressed.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:24 pm

valve seals will most likely hold it up.

quicksilvr · Post by **quicksilvr** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:36 pm

I guess if you had the proper tool that would compress the springs and hold them compressed by itself it wouldn't be too bad....

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:41 pm

no it wouldnt but i heard someone on the .org made a home made tool like the one it shows in the service manual. i wish i could find who made it. plus, i think im going to wait with the mag cam until i get a mad head and when its time to do the headgasket. i want to get a 95 cam for now.

my mag cam is NOT for sale.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:40 am

on a little side note, i was reading the service manual and it says to use compressed air so the valves wont fall in. get a fitting that will fit where the sprak plug goes in and hook it up to a air supply.

Jerome Adams · Post by **Jerome Adams** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:51 pm

I am in the same boat with ya'll (well maybe another boat next to ya'lla boat cause ya'lls boat is getting full).

I have an 01 Mag cam and mag springs waiting to go into my 03 sxt. I am picking up a complete head today (minus lifters) and I will be getting it decked .04 and then doing a light P&P and throwing everything in at the same time. Will also do timing belt and not sure about water pump cause it only has 60K on it.

I would recommend the mag springs, they are pretty cheap insurance.

underway · Post by **underway** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:31 pm

it makes no sence for u to put the new springs in with a cam that does not need them...if u for wat ever dam reason wanted to put in a bigger cam then u could do the springs then.....other wise save urself the 300-400 bucks buy urself sumthin nice.....lol

seisephiroth · Post by **seisephiroth** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:24 am

dude mag springs cost about 5 bucks each, which is around $80 total not 300-400, plus they are pretty much just as good as the crane springs.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:30 pm

03neonSE wrote:no it wouldnt but i heard someone on the .org made a home made tool like the one it shows in the service manual. i wish i could find who made it. plus, i think im going to wait with the mag cam until i get a mad head and when its time to do the headgasket. i want to get a 95 cam for now.

my mag cam is NOT for sale.

Jeff B made it, using some wrench he ground down on either side.

15mm?

anomalous0 · Post by **anomalous0** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:22 pm

you don't need a special tool. Just loosen the bolts on the rocker rail. I forget the exact sizes, but you'll need either a 17, 18, or 19mm Box end wrench. Different size for intake and exhaust just because of clearance issues. Just slide it under the rocker rail and use the round end to compress the springs. And as for compressed air, just make sure the cylinder you're working on is at TDC and you'll be fine. The valve wont fall very far.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:12 am

sorry for bringing an old post back but do you really need magnum springs?

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:01 am

As long as you have a stock rev limiter, no....

03blackrt wrote:valve springs are not nessasary IMO, unless you want to feel safer. my dad has a magnum cam with stock valve springs with over 20k trouble free miles. i would recomend getting a cam sensor seal; you will most likely destroy this seal removing the sensor, its very fragile.

thats my two cents

anomalous0 · Post by **anomalous0** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:15 pm

there's a big debate on the other .org about this, and the consensus is that you most likely won't break the stock springs, but why take a chance? for $50 and a couple hours you get springs that can hold up to a crane 14, meaning you won't have to change them later if the magnum cam isn't enough (and it won't be in about....say....6-8 months). Plus if you get a bigger cam like the 14, you'll want a higher rev limiter......you see where I'm going with this. You don't HAVE to do it, but while you're in there, it's worth the extra couple hours.
(P.S. Plenty of people have broken stock springs, mopar performance springs and even crane springs. Not many people have broken magnum springs. They won't allow the lift of a huge cam like the 005, but everything short of that they should be ok with.)

spencersummerfield · Post by **spencersummerfield** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:24 pm

my 2 cents, make sure the piston is at TDC adn slide a piece of nylon rope down the sparkglug hole. then the valves sit on the rope:)

Crane Springs = Crane #14

getcrunk88 · Post by **getcrunk88** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:37 pm

U can get the hose with a brass fitting that fits into the sparkplug hole for around 12 bucks at pepboys makes it 1000000x easier than foolin with tdc i used one on my old mazda truck

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Magnum Cam install...some q's

Magnum Cam install...some q's

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