Ordering "welfare" sways...what do I need?

supertrick_05 · Post by **supertrick_05** » Fri May 11, 2007 1:02 pm

I just about to order the "welfare" sways...PT front and RT/ACR rear. My Neon doesn't have a rear sway, so is there any hardware I need to get in order to install these? Any bushing upgrades I should look into?

SlvrACR · Post by **SlvrACR** » Fri May 11, 2007 2:31 pm

Get these
http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=19840

and you also will need the bushings. I use prothane but thats just the ones I liked

CA180 · Post by **CA180** » Sat May 12, 2007 1:03 am

You need complete endlinks for the rear.

Front will bolt straight up.

You'll like the way this setup makes your car feel

Post by **racer12306** » Sat May 12, 2007 1:07 am

how much do these things cost?

z3roneo · Post by **z3roneo** » Sat May 12, 2007 1:27 am

Yea I say get the es or prothane endlinks...

underway · Post by **underway** » Sat May 12, 2007 10:36 am

i was thinkin bout gettin the pt sways..... the fronts pretty fat i understand....but wat bout the back....and are the fat sways only on the GT convertable..or all?... wats the rear on an acr compare to a pt rear

SlvrACR · Post by **SlvrACR** » Sat May 12, 2007 11:50 am

I dont beleive you can us a PT rear. The ACR rear is only 19mm like the 2nd gen RT/ACR

underway · Post by **underway** » Sat May 12, 2007 2:31 pm

SlvrACR wrote:I dont beleive you can us a PT rear. The ACR rear is only 19mm like the 2nd gen RT/ACR

oh...well that sucks...stock are i think i may already have the R/T rear sway bar so thats not worth it....but 26mm front sounds pretty good

supertrick_05 · Post by **supertrick_05** » Sat May 12, 2007 8:03 pm

I can't get hardware from an RT? Endlinks, mounting plates, etc.? Can I get them from a dealer? I guess I just dont know where to get all these...if you know where I can find all this stuff, I'd appreciate links. I dont know a lot about suspension components. I appreciate the help though guys, thanks!

CA180 · Post by **CA180** » Sat May 12, 2007 10:41 pm

r/t struts come with the tabs for the rear sway already attached. This will not work on your car. You can either do what i did (view sticky at top of brakes forum) or you can buy the tabs that were recommended in the second post of this thread.

For the rear you will need the bar, the u-brackets with bushings, end links (stock or like mine) and the tabs for the strut. For the front you wont need anything different, it will bolt straight in. Anything aftermarket is simply and "added upgrade"
Most of the stock stuff should be available through your local dealer.
If you have a r/t parts car you might as well take the rear struts and rear disk brake assembly.

And to clarify No the pt rear bar will NOT fit a neon

Stock se/sxt's came with either a 20mm or 22mm front bar (later years got the larger)
PT Turbos (non-vert) came with a 24mm front bar
PT Turbo Verts came with the meaty 26mm bar.

SRT's came with a 17mm rear bar
R/T ACR 2gn's came with a 19mm rear bar

I tried to make this as understandable as possible, If you need anymore help just let me know

supertrick_05 · Post by **supertrick_05** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:08 am

I'm wondering if the Tokico Blue struts come with the sway tabs...cuz I just ordered them yesterday. Thanks for the clarifications!

Post by **racer12306** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:09 am

im pretty sure i have read that they do

Post by **Canada** » Sun May 13, 2007 1:06 pm

They do in fact Brodie.

supertrick_05 · Post by **supertrick_05** » Sun May 13, 2007 5:35 pm

Are you serious?!?! YES! That is the one part I was scared of finding...cuz they seem expensive! Whew! That's a relief!

So since the Tokico struts already have the sway plate, I need the endlinks and the frame bushings...so would these Energy Suspension parts work?

Energy Suspension swaybar rear frame bushings (17mm)
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/pr ... 6&cat=7895

Energy Suspension swaybar rear endlinks
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/pr ... r&cat=7895

Anything else I would need?

CA180 · Post by **CA180** » Sun May 13, 2007 6:25 pm

did you even read the sticky post of mine?

supertrick_05 · Post by **supertrick_05** » Sun May 13, 2007 7:18 pm

Yeah, you made your own endlinks. I'd rather just buy ones...less hasle

ewetho · Post by **ewetho** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:05 pm

supertrick_05 wrote:Are you serious?!?! YES! That is the one part I was scared of finding...cuz they seem expensive! Whew! That's a relief!

So since the Tokico struts already have the sway plate, I need the endlinks and the frame bushings...so would these Energy Suspension parts work?

Energy Suspension swaybar rear frame bushings (17mm)
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/pr ... 6&cat=7895

Energy Suspension swaybar rear endlinks
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/pr ... r&cat=7895

Anything else I would need?

One last thing to think of is the brackets for the rear sway bar bushings. You will need two of those and 3 bolts. 3 because one goes to hold up the evap canister. If you have the end link mounting perches (after market struts have them) then you just need end links. just get stock 3 3/4" (if you are getting Energy Suspension Prothane measures differently) end links and if you drop your car 1 1/2" the get 2 3/8" which is just about perfect. Go any lower look at 2" links.

Get Poly for front and rear and be happy

But what was listed should be OK. Get front bushings too.

CA180 wrote:
Stock se/sxt's came with either a 20mm or 22mm front bar (later years got the larger)
PT Turbos (non-vert) came with a 24mm front bar
PT Turbo Verts came with the meaty 26mm bar.

SRT's came with a 17mm rear bar
R/T ACR 2gn's came with a 19mm rear bar

My '04 SE had a 20 mm front bar. I cleaned mine and measured when putting on my bushing kit.

CA180 · Post by **CA180** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:06 pm

Just checking... I wasnt positive if you had seen it. They really arent a hassle. But if you dont want to go down that road, i can understand.

I side note, i wouldnt get poly bushings. They tend to squeek. Gets old. My stock bar mounts started squeeking, and it was a hassle to take it apart and lube them. Poly is worse

Seems like your over thinking this, really not much goes into it.

I'm sure youll throw it together fine!

sullygully · Post by **sullygully** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:08 am

My 2000 neon LE came with a rear sway bar just do you know. They are probably more common to find in the junkyards then an RT is.