Is this allowed in Washington state?

BillKaulitz · Post by **BillKaulitz** » Sun May 27, 2007 9:32 pm

what do u think guys xD

dblsg · Post by **dblsg** » Sun May 27, 2007 9:59 pm

i would say thats a negative...

MoparNeonMan · Post by **MoparNeonMan** » Sun May 27, 2007 10:03 pm

I like....but it would be better if it had the RHD conversion

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Mon May 28, 2007 2:43 am

im gonna agree with sammy boy on this one.

WA requires a front plate. and thats not a registered front plate. sorry buddy.

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Mon May 28, 2007 2:45 am

I think the rice patrol will pull you over too

Just kidding, actually it is not too bad, but yeah, if a front plate is required, than that is not allowed.

cgneon · Post by **cgneon** » Mon May 28, 2007 6:22 am

im so glad FL doesnt require front plates.....

BillKaulitz · Post by **BillKaulitz** » Mon May 28, 2007 9:19 am

TNK wrote:im gonna agree with sammy boy on this one.

WA requires a front plate. and thats not a registered front plate. sorry buddy.

WA state does not require front plate buddy

yellowpatrol · Post by **yellowpatrol** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:16 am

Leave it on and find out...

SlvrACR · Post by **SlvrACR** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:19 am

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:57 am

BillKaulitz wrote:
TNK wrote:im gonna agree with sammy boy on this one.

WA requires a front plate. and thats not a registered front plate. sorry buddy.
WA state does not require front plate buddy

UMmmmm yeah they do... sorry. Says so right on the registration sheet.

Nutmeg · Post by **Nutmeg** » Mon May 28, 2007 12:42 pm

From RCW 46.16.240:

It shall be unlawful to display upon the front or rear of any vehicle, vehicle license number plate or plates other than those furnished by the director for such vehicle...

And is it actually illegal to not have a front plate in WA? The RCW isn't exactly clear.

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Mon May 28, 2007 1:41 pm

Statement on registration:

"Display tab on back license plate ony - front plate is still required"

BillKaulitz · Post by **BillKaulitz** » Mon May 28, 2007 2:49 pm

hansken_yo wrote:Statement on registration:

"Display tab on back license plate ony - front plate is still required"

i have so many friends w/ only the back plate and they STILL haven't been pulled over...

SlvrACR · Post by **SlvrACR** » Mon May 28, 2007 3:27 pm

Then why ask? Drive with it and see what happens. Thats the only way to find out

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Mon May 28, 2007 3:54 pm

BillKaulitz wrote:
hansken_yo wrote:Statement on registration:

"Display tab on back license plate ony - front plate is still required"
i have so many friends w/ only the back plate and they STILL haven't been pulled over...

just cuz everyone else is doing it, doesnt make it right. WA state REQUIRES a front plate. period. dont believe me? talk to SILVER-ES, he's a WA State Patrolman.

i got hassled for no front plate on my skunk. i got hassled for no front plate on sasha. and my soon-to-be ex-wife got hassled for her plate being on her dashboard.

SILVER-ES · Post by **SILVER-ES** » Mon May 28, 2007 4:47 pm

I think everyone handled this pretty well. WA does require a front plate, just because your friends haven't gotten a ticket for it doesn't make it legal.

RCW 46.16.240
Attachment of plates to vehicles — Violations enumerated.

The vehicle license number plates shall be attached conspicuously at the front and rear of each vehicle for which the same are issued and in such a manner that they can be plainly seen and read at all times. However, if only one license number plate is legally issued for any vehicle such plate shall be conspicuously attached to the rear of such vehicle. Each vehicle license number plate shall be placed or hung in a horizontal position at a distance of not more than four feet from the ground and shall be kept clean so as to be plainly seen and read at all times. In cases where the body construction of the vehicle is such that compliance with this section is impossible, permission to deviate therefrom may be granted by the state patrol. It shall be unlawful to display upon the front or rear of any vehicle, vehicle license number plate or plates other than those furnished by the director for such vehicle or to display upon any vehicle any vehicle license number plate or plates which have been in any manner changed, altered, disfigured or have become illegible. License plate frames may be used on vehicle license number plates only if the frames do not obscure license tabs or identifying letters or numbers on the plates and the plates can be plainly seen and read at all times. It is unlawful to use any holders, frames, or any materials that in any manner change, alter, or make the vehicle license number plates illegible. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate any vehicle unless there shall be displayed thereon valid vehicle license number plates attached as herein provided.

[2006 c 326 § 1. Prior: 1987 c 330 § 704; 1987 c 142 § 3; 1969 ex.s. c 170 § 10; 1967 c 32 § 18; 1961 c 12 § 46.16.240; prior: 1947 c 89 § 1; 1937 c 188 § 36; Rem. Supp. 1947 § 6312-36.]

There is a good chance that you can go without a front plate, or with that weird front plate and not be hassled as it's a very minor offense. However, dont' be surprised if you do get a ticket for it, I have.

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Mon May 28, 2007 4:55 pm

neonwa032 · Post by **neonwa032** » Mon May 28, 2007 10:12 pm

one of my friends just got pulled over this weekend for the first time with no front plate. so it is illegal in washington.

BillKaulitz · Post by **BillKaulitz** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:26 pm

too bad my plates arent from washington LOL im still oregon xD

SILVER-ES · Post by **SILVER-ES** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:05 am

Do you live permanetly in WA? Do you have a WA driver's license? If you answered yes to either then you have 30 days to register your car in WA. After 30 days your OR plates are techinically illegal too.

Also, if your still have OR plates why the worry about WA laws?

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:07 am

It sucks having to have a front license... I really wish we didn't have to have one, but what can you do....

just a question of curiousity... does it need to be right in the center of the bumper? I was thinking of putting it below the front passenger head-lamp.

BillKaulitz · Post by **BillKaulitz** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:08 am

SILVER-ES wrote:Do you live permanetly in WA? Do you have a WA driver's license? If you answered yes to either then you have 30 days to register your car in WA. After 30 days your OR plates are techinically illegal too.

Also, if your still have OR plates why the worry about WA laws?

i think oregon has the same rules as washington ... and btw the guy I bought the car from doesn't have the title yet so I don't care about that xD Since the title is not transferred yet I can register it anytime I want lol

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:20 am

SILVER-ES wrote:Do you live permanetly in WA? Do you have a WA driver's license? If you answered yes to either then you have 30 days to register your car in WA. After 30 days your OR plates are techinically illegal too.

Also, if your still have OR plates why the worry about WA laws?

my neighbor is fux0r3d.

hes had OR plates on his civic since i moved in... in august.

welchspro · Post by **welchspro** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:11 am

Everybody i know that has driven around here with no front plate has been pulled over. One guy got pulled over twice on his way home from the body shop. There kinda anal about it in these parts...

SILVER-ES · Post by **SILVER-ES** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:18 pm

BillKaulitz wrote: i think oregon has the same rules as washington ... and btw the guy I bought the car from doesn't have the title yet so I don't care about that xD Since the title is not transferred yet I can register it anytime I want lol

So technically you are driving his car, it's not even legally yours. I wouldn't piss him off if I was you.

That also doesn't change anything though, when you sell a car he has 5 days to report it sold and you have 30 days to get it registered in your name. This is another one of those situation where just because you or a friend did it doesn't mean it's legal.

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Tue May 29, 2007 1:25 pm

welchspro wrote:Everybody i know that has driven around here with no front plate has been pulled over. One guy got pulled over twice on his way home from the body shop. There kinda anal about it in these parts...

i never actually got pulled over for it. ive been in a parking lot talking to buddies and had a cop pull up and tell me to mount one.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:30 pm

California says the same thing, you have to have a plate, although there is case law establishing that if your car does NOT have pre-existing mounting locations (or predrilled holes) in the bumper, you do not legally have provisions for a front plate, ergo you are not willfully breaking the law and are exempt from the consequences.

NOW, if your car had holes or a mount plate drilled in after the fact, it doesn't matter, you now have to keep the plate on there. So swapping to a new bumper without the mount option is the way to go.

When this Neon was painted, I had them fill in the mounting holes.

Edit: Now, a cop could give me a ticket, sure, and I could go to court and have it dismissed with the case law, as many have done. I'd still have to go to court, of course, which is time + money. But then again, a cop can pull you over for modified exhaust, just because he thinks it is (and it could be an R/T and he's never seen one with twin tailpipes) and still, you are inconvenienced. All easilly proven in court, but the bottom line is cops can cost you plenty of headache just by writing tickets that won't stand up in court.

So the choice is yours, I suppose. Everything that most of us (from the looks of it) like to do to our cars is asking for trouble. All the more reason to cruise like a senior down the streets, so that most of them get the idea that we're not out for trouble.