header ??

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Sat May 14, 2005 3:20 pm

what is the best overall header for gains in hp and torque? longtube? shorttube? borla? magnum? obx? which way do i look?

DannyBoy · Post by **DannyBoy** » Sat May 14, 2005 3:46 pm

Longtube.

TomZ · Post by **TomZ** » Sat May 14, 2005 7:32 pm

Long-tube shifts the powerband to the upper rpm range, and are decent in the midrange, low end suffers.

Short-tube give some gains across the board.

Mid-length give some low, good mid and decent upper.

Short-tubes like the Magnum, (after welding an O2 bung in) and the Borla are bolt on mods. The Borla is a very high quality peice with a high price. I've been told the Magnum header is made by Borla, but I don't know this for a fact.

Mid-length like the TTI require some welding to relocate the cat.

Long-tube also requires exhaust work.

2 1/2" mandrel bent ehxaust pipes are not the best choice for N/A engines, the torque will suffer. 2 1/4" pipes are the way to go.

You need to evaluate what you are going to do with the car. If it's a driver, mid or short. If it sees a lot of track time, long tube. Price isn't the absolute indicator of quality, but you never get more than you pay for (IMHO). Personally, I'd stay away from OBX or Pacesetter.

dawm · Post by **dawm** » Sat May 14, 2005 7:47 pm

borla making the magnum makes sense, alot of the mopar performance exhaust components for the 1g were made by borla, a few even said borla on the bottom before mopar started getting the mopar logo stamped into them

Sean R/T · Post by **Sean R/T** » Sun May 15, 2005 9:13 pm

On my first gen I went with the TTi "Shorty" which is actually more of a medium tube header, longer than any short tube, but still not a long tube. We managed to get the cat in the same position, but it took some work. It did not require any welding. It was not an easy install, but it's pointless to just go with a pacesetter, or something crappy that's not going to give you a whole lot of gains for the amount of work you'll put in. The gains got from the TTi were fantastic, tons of low end power, it feels fantastic. If you don't want to go with a long tube, there's really no other choice than a TTI in my opinion.

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Wed May 18, 2005 12:17 am

welding is not an issue. my buddy welds. i just want something that will give me good across the board, especially low end, since i'm auto....

05srt4clone · Post by **05srt4clone** » Wed May 18, 2005 12:51 am

Sean R/T wrote:On my first gen I went with the TTi "Shorty" which is actually more of a medium tube header, longer than any short tube, but still not a long tube. We managed to get the cat in the same position, but it took some work. It did not require any welding. It was not an easy install, but it's pointless to just go with a pacesetter, or something crappy that's not going to give you a whole lot of gains for the amount of work you'll put in. The gains got from the TTi were fantastic, tons of low end power, it feels fantastic. If you don't want to go with a long tube, there's really no other choice than a TTI in my opinion.

How much work was put into it?

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Wed May 18, 2005 2:43 am

my fast fab long tube increased power everywhere.

i have gobs of low end tq and the top end is crazy.

Sean R/T · Post by **Sean R/T** » Wed May 18, 2005 1:25 pm

05srt4clone wrote:
Sean R/T wrote:On my first gen I went with the TTi "Shorty" which is actually more of a medium tube header, longer than any short tube, but still not a long tube. We managed to get the cat in the same position, but it took some work. It did not require any welding. It was not an easy install, but it's pointless to just go with a pacesetter, or something crappy that's not going to give you a whole lot of gains for the amount of work you'll put in. The gains got from the TTi were fantastic, tons of low end power, it feels fantastic. If you don't want to go with a long tube, there's really no other choice than a TTI in my opinion.
How much work was put into it?

TTI had to specially bend it 15 degrees and send it back to us.

05srt4clone · Post by **05srt4clone** » Wed May 18, 2005 3:57 pm

Sean R/T wrote:
05srt4clone wrote:
Sean R/T wrote:On my first gen I went with the TTi "Shorty" which is actually more of a medium tube header, longer than any short tube, but still not a long tube. We managed to get the cat in the same position, but it took some work. It did not require any welding. It was not an easy install, but it's pointless to just go with a pacesetter, or something crappy that's not going to give you a whole lot of gains for the amount of work you'll put in. The gains got from the TTi were fantastic, tons of low end power, it feels fantastic. If you don't want to go with a long tube, there's really no other choice than a TTI in my opinion.
How much work was put into it?
TTI had to specially bend it 15 degrees and send it back to us.

Damn, so what your saying is don't buy it cuz we willl have to send it back?

Sean R/T · Post by **Sean R/T** » Wed May 18, 2005 8:39 pm

1st gen may be different than second gen. I had to send it back because it was extremelly important that the stock cat bolt up to the header, and the cat be in the 100% stock location, other wise I would not be legal in the autocross class that the car is run in. Not worrying about the cat being moved a few inches, you don't have to bend it, however I think the system is designed to be hooked up to an aftermarket high-flow cat. I can't run a high flow cat on my car, so I didn't even bother looking into that.