It's broken.

WykedHellFire · Post by **WykedHellFire** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:25 am

well I was leaving my friends house and made my way down a few streets, I was going about 45 and the engine started to sputter, it sputters a couple more times then it just stalled out, the engine light came on and then I came to a stop. the engine light then turned off...the car wont turn over now...anybody help? please?

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:27 am

Do you have gas in your car

WykedHellFire · Post by **WykedHellFire** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:31 am

lol yeah I do, the gas level is fine, it backfires alittle bit too, any help would be great, this is my DD and I need it for work please help! I was thinking maybe an 02 Censor?

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:32 am

It doesn't crank over at all, or it just doesn't fire up?

WykedHellFire · Post by **WykedHellFire** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:54 am

doesn't fire up, im thinkin timing?

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:40 am

are you sure your not out of gas? maybe gas gauge isn't working?

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:19 am

when you crank it over what does it do? does it sound like it's cranking too fast? How many miles? Ever had the timing belt changed?

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:46 am

check your plugs and your distributer...

open your door and turn the car on and off to the on position three times and see what codes you get and post them here, since you said that check engine light came on.

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:26 pm

Yes, check the distributor

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:28 pm

fixitmattman wrote:Yes, check the distributor

neons have distributors?

titansxt · Post by **titansxt** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:30 pm

Coil.

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:59 pm

kc2002acr wrote:
fixitmattman wrote:Yes, check the distributor
neons have distributors?

lol coil hahahaha!

SlvrACR · Post by **SlvrACR** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:00 pm

My guess is fuel pump or if its spins fast timing belt

WykedHellFire · Post by **WykedHellFire** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:31 pm

well car is at a shop now so I can't check for a code, they had it for three hours before they closed and they said they couldn't find out what was wrong, it doesn't turn fast or anything...and yes im positive I have gas, I have almost a full tank...they tried another coil and it still wont start. They also said there is no way it's the timing, my car has 117k on it...I guess I will see if they find anything out today...

Wenuden · Post by **Wenuden** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:04 am

how does it having 117k miles eliminate timing? if anything, it'd make me think timing even more unless i knew it got changed at around 90k. not saying that's what it is, cause i don't know, but i don't follow their (your?) logic.

gilly02le · Post by **gilly02le** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:06 am

do you hear the fuel pump prime when you try to start it? if not, fuel pump, or fuel pump relay.

WykedHellFire · Post by **WykedHellFire** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:13 am

I could here the fuel pump when I turn the key, so i dunno, and my timing belt was just changed recently so thats why it's not the timing belt, I also had the water pump done about a week ago. unless their wrong...I have no clue whats going on.

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:22 am

Do you drive the piss out of it? Honestly? Do anything grandma and grandpa wouldn't approve of?

My guess is the oil pump.....

JRM · Post by **JRM** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:27 am

WykedHellFire · Post by **WykedHellFire** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:49 am

lol not all the time, but some times I get on it, as at matter of fact there was a car infront of me going 15 in a 40 so I kicked it into passing gear to pass him then about a minute later is when it died, did I make an oopsy?

OB · Post by OB » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:51 am

The only timing related issue that could cause this is a broken timing belt. DIS ignition systems dont have adjustable timing, it is 100% computer contolled. So unless someone snuck a cam gear in there and threw the timing off while you were driving it, I wouldnt worry about it.

If it cranks then that pretty much eliminates battery and starter as being problems. The 02 sensor doesnt even come into play until the car is in closed-loop anyway, so it would not prevent it from starting/running.

That leaves several mechanical possibilities, as well as some possible ignition related issues. You'd need to go in depth a bit more to narrow things down, but since you already have someone looking at it, I guess there's really no point in anyone around here guessing at it. Good luck

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:13 am

what if the belt is off by a tooth? That could cause problems yes?

WykedHellFire · Post by **WykedHellFire** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:19 am

kc2002acr wrote:what if the belt is off by a tooth? That could cause problems yes?

thats what one of my friends said, maybe the timing belt jumped or something. but I was told today there is no spark...so I dunno...

NeonBluSXT · Post by **NeonBluSXT** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:41 am

Awww Im sorry Derek. I hope it isnt anything major to fix for you.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:35 am

kc2002acr wrote:what if the belt is off by a tooth? That could cause problems yes?

The pcm will throw a code for the cam and crank sensor being out of sync..
Did you take the car to the dealer or a local shop?
The dealer can use the DRB to scan for trip failures to see what happened before the car died. The pcm datalogs in situations like that...

04sxt2.0 · Post by **04sxt2.0** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:20 am

Cam shaft and crank shaft position sensor if the car wont spark at all changed the cam sensor, because the sensor can not read the groves on the car for the firing of the coil.... if you did the timing right it shouldn't of jumped.. thats just my thoughts...

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:42 am

check your grounds near the raditor mines needed to be cleaned the one on the side of the altnator if not getting a good ground would not let the car start neither.

Cbussilver01es · Post by **Cbussilver01es** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:21 am

I guess I missed this thread.... Could be that mr. Valve met mr. Piston, Idk, mine didnt sputter when my belt went, it just shut down.. So thats why I say timing belt, other than that I dont know what to tell you.

01rtgurl · Post by **01rtgurl** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:29 pm

bump for updates

oklamopar · Post by **oklamopar** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:26 pm

if t-belt is good. ive seen this more and more, that the magnet behind the cam sensor gets cracked. every one else had good sugestions also.