Do SRT axles = ES axles??

Darkness · Post by **Darkness** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:24 am

As I mentioned in my other thread, I need to install a complete 2005 SRT4 suspension and brake package on a 2001 ES. I have everything, including the K and the steering box. I simply don't have the SRT4 axles.

One person has told me I need to install the ES hubs and bearings on my SRT4 spindles to make it work, another person told me the axles are the same and I should be fine.

What is the bottom line? Do the ES axles I have work with the SRT4 hubs and bearings or are the splines different?

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:09 am

The axles are different in lengths, but the connection (splines) to the hubs are the same. The hubs are different to support the different brake setups.

hope that clears it up. there are differences and similarities.

Darkness · Post by **Darkness** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:26 am

Yes it does. As far as I know I should be able to get this done now without any extra parts other than a can of brake fluid.

What I did was buy the entire front subassembly of a 2005 SRT4. I actually have the complete K sitting in my garage with the springs and struts, the brakes, hubs, steering rack, all the lines, the swaybar, bushings, all bolted together as a unit. I also have the complete rear suspension and brakes.

It started out that I just wanted SRT wheels for my girlfriends car, and I found that the wheels wouldn't clear the spring perches on the struts. So I figured I'd buy the springs assemblies. I found the complete bottom of the car for cheaper than just buying new springs and struts, so here I am.

Now I just need to find a DIY on this swap because the Haynes is useless unless I want to disassemble everything and install it piece by piece. I wish I had a Mitchell manual for this car.

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:59 pm

a good way to fit srt wheels on your neon, buy a smaller tire (I believe 215/45 or maybe it is 205/45

)... what exactly do you mean by a "complete bottom for this car"? I believe there is a howtoo here for swapping srt brakes in, which should allow for bigger brakes as well as wheels.

Darkness · Post by **Darkness** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:19 pm

I bought the SRT wheels complete with tires on them for a very good price. My girlfriend already needed brakes so I figured I'd just put the SRT suspension on the ES at the same time and save some money. I found a great deal on a salvage 2005 SRT4 and had the parts pulled off that car.

When I say "complete bottom" I'm talking about everything that bolts to the unibody for the suspension.

The parts list:

Front springs with struts
Rear springs with shocks
Front and rear brake calipers, rotors, pigtail lines
Front and rear hubs, bearings, and spindles
Front and rear swaybars, endlinks, and bushings
steering box with all the lines
LCA's
K member
rear e-brakes with cables

The whole thing is assembled. All the front parts are completely bolted up to the K member. The struts and springs are already mounted. The rear corners are completely assembled.

What I want to do is swap the stuff as an assembly. All the DIY's here have to do with performing a suspension swap or a brake swap. I don't have to do that. I actually have less work to do because there is less to disassemble/assemble.

Should I post pics? I ask because people keep assuming that I'm trying to just do a brake swap or put in a set of springs.

Wenuden · Post by **Wenuden** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:37 pm

why exactly do you want to put in the steering assembly? from what i understand, they have the same ratio as every other neon steering rack, and it's not necessary for the brakes/suspension install. same with the k-member and control arms.

Darkness · Post by **Darkness** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:26 pm

I guess I'm not being clear on this. I bought everything completely assembled. Why put everything together piece by piece when you can do it as a unit?
Like, if you wanted to install new seats - do you put the seat bottoms in, then the seat back, and then the headrest, or do you put a complete seat in?

I got the parts already assembled on the K member, so why take them apart? Its less work this way. All I needed to know was if the axles were compatible, now I know they are. I have to unbolt the subassembly, bolt in the SRT sub, and it'll probably take a fourth of the time that I'd need trying to do it piece by piece.

To answer your other question about the steering rack, you need to read what people are saying about alignment problems using the SRT4 suspension on an ES. My new best friend Hansken_yo pointed me towards his thread http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=22442 where he describes how reusing the ES rack will cause problems.

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:03 pm

the srt axles (passenger and driver) are the same length, the es axles are not, so the srt axles will not work in an es without the srt tranny.

Darkness · Post by **Darkness** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:24 pm

I"m not using SRT axles, so thats not a concern. I'm re-using the ES axles, so all I need to worry about is the spline count.