Long Tube Headers

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:57 pm

Between the kirk and OBX LTH's, which do most preffer? I'm leaning towards the Kirk because i've heard it's a better brand.

But the OBX looks a lot better in quality. I'm confused and FAFSA money is coming! hahah

Thanks guys ;D

(BTW I dont' wanna get the mpx one. i'd rather save the hundred for other mods/gas)

white2000neon · Post by **white2000neon** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:24 am

Kirk but I would try to find a fastfabs or blackdog header there the best.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:35 am

I would have no idea where to start looking for those brands...google turned up nothing

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:12 am

What year/model is it goin on? It'd try an OBX one for a standard head and mild build, since it's stainless and the Kirk is just mild steel. One of the 'big boys' (that's FastFabs, Blackdog, AFX) would be better for a magnum head and all-out build.

The FastFabs is nice, the only problem I have is that it doesn't fit very well (required the coolant bottle to be moved, the midpipe heat sheild had to be removed and it rubs against the K-member). My previous Kirk LTH fit absloutly perfect, but is considerably smaller than the FastFabs. FastFasb are no longer made, you'll have to find a used one for between $200 and $400.

Some visuals...

The Kirk

The Fast Fabs

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:40 am

A 2002 SXT....atx. I might just go with an OBX than, I really want it to last me a while and not get all rusted up.

BTW how easy is it to extend the o2 sensor for the cat?

I have a 31' glasspack. I plan on installing the header, keeping the glasspack, moving the cat down and extending the o2 sensor.

But yeah is it difficult/expensive to extend the o2 sensor?

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:55 am

To extend the downstream O2 wires you just have to cut them and add wire to lengthen. But be careful to not get the wires mixed up. When extending the wires for my FF header I got two of the wires mixd up, so now when under load (and the sensor sees a certain voltage) the coolant gauge and cruise control goes out.

I still have to fix that.

infil · Post by **infil** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:38 pm

03, you have something grounding out somewhere hehe.

I'd go with the kirk unless you can wait till we are under production on our longtubes.

asanti's 01 atx loves the hell out of the kirk under a 14 on a cnnp ported head.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:45 pm

IF I choose to not extend the o2 sensors, other than the CEL....will I get any performance issues?

Like will i run lean or rich?

gilly02le · Post by **gilly02le** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:10 pm

no performance issues from not running a lower o2 sensor.. its there to monitor the presence of the cat, and to make sure its functioning.. only problem you will notice, is the CEL... which isn't really a problem, just annoying. But why not just spend 15 minutes and do it properly..? its pretty easy to cut 4 wires, and add another 12" to each lead..

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:21 pm

I'm just trying to figure out what type of wires are needed to do it.

gilly02le · Post by **gilly02le** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:31 pm

any 18awg wire will work just fine, if you wanna get fancy about it, the wires are 2 whites, a grey and a black.. if you want to, get the same color wire to extend it.. just makes reconnecting easier.. then you know you've got it hooked up properly.. if you cant solder, then go get some good crimp connectors, and some heatshrink to cover the newly connected wires.....

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:28 pm

Sweet, thanks for the info. I wish I had a lift..oh well. Guess some jacks will get the job done

white2000neon · Post by **white2000neon** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:35 pm

I never had to move my coolant bottle with the fastfab. It did hit the k frame when I would take off.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:59 am

So there is some modification necessary with the kirk?

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:40 pm

The Kirk requires no modifications except to extend the downstream O2 sensor wires. But I would recommend having the paint that comes on it sandblasted off and replaced with a header paint because it's just regular paint that will turn brown and peel off.

gilly02le · Post by **gilly02le** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:49 pm

anyone have the obx long tube? wondering what the fitment is like on that... and how low it puts the exhaust under the car.. clearance-wise.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:27 pm

spencersummerfield has/is putting one on. Might want to ask him.

http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=23384

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:41 am

I was also meaning to ask

When I install the LTH, would I LOSE horsepower if I took off the catalytic converter? Should I keep it on?

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:03 am

You wont lose HP, but the way it will effect your powerband, you may feel like you lose some lowend. However, since you're just running a glasspack for a muffler, you will want a cat because it will be ungodly loud.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:06 pm

Thanks for the reply, i'll keep the pussycat for now.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:58 pm

would i ever notice a gain with my lack of mods

i only have a 60mm tb and a cai, mm inserts, tranny inserts, strut bar and a cool srt bumper ;D

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:57 pm

It'll help, especially when replacing the standard stock exhaust manifold.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:57 pm

Yah i've seen how shitty the stock exhaust manifold is...

I just heard it wouldn't do much cuz i'm almost completely stock...

blue demon02 · Post by **blue demon02** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:03 pm

Why does no one ever think of the TTI???? ITs got very good craftmenship and get it coated and it will last forever and weigh a lot less then the OBX one. The OBX is just a copy of the TTI.
http://www.ttiexhaust.com/Neon/Hdrs.htm

I had one on my 02 after I pulled the turbo kit and I was verry pleased with it.

What ever you do don't get the Kirk its loud and it sucks. I had one on my 2.4 swaped 1st gen and hated it.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:15 pm

really? the kirk sucks? i had heard a lot of good things about it...but not much from the 2gn owners.

i hear the obx one sucks with the flange

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:47 pm

Adionik wrote:really? the kirk sucks? i had heard a lot of good things about it...but not much from the 2gn owners.

Kirk is alright in my book, I had no problems with mine. It's just alittle small, but still good.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:41 pm

the kirk from modern came out to $244.21

the tti is $229.22...or some bs

i'm going with that haha

blue demon02 · Post by **blue demon02** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:27 pm

03blackrt wrote:
Adionik wrote:really? the kirk sucks? i had heard a lot of good things about it...but not much from the 2gn owners.
Kirk is alright in my book, I had no problems with mine. It's just alittle small, but still good.

What I have against Kirk is this: The length of the primaries are ok, But there not a big enough diamiter to do anything for your motor if you have anything done to it. That and the metal is so thin it resonates like crazy. If I remember correctlly the Kirk ws designed by request of Chrysler to run on a race car that was internaly stock.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:45 pm

I ordered a TTI.

It's going to cost 227.85 to my door! Pretty damn good deal. I hate modern taxing cuz i'm in texas.

I have a 31' glasspack. Will I be able to fit my LTH, Glasspack and Possibly a high flow cat? I think i'm running out of midpipe!

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:14 pm

wow, that glasspack is long, maybe you can fit both cat and glasspack, but yeah, you are running out of room

Try the sparkplug non-fouler mod first and see if it runs without throwing a code, like mine does. Sorry, no links to it, but try a search... its your friend

I swear it is