Supercharger

Casketbearer · Post by **Casketbearer** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:47 pm

I'll be sending lonewolf a m62 blower sometime this month. They plan to make me a manifold 1/2 off (bout $300 after discount) and use me as a guinea pig for testing. Their manifold come with custom fuel rails and a throttle body adapter. Sounds good to me!

05srt4clone · Post by **05srt4clone** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:30 pm

Keep us updated.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:55 pm

KEEP us updated///I have Bean trying the same setup on my car BUT with mo luck

Casketbearer · Post by **Casketbearer** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:18 pm

Aye-aye

0111000001100100 · Post by **0111000001100100** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:07 am

Same here...*dreams of blower whine*

mospaxreton · Post by **mospaxreton** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:21 am

Oh yea! Then we SC believers can rubb it in peoples dumb faces when they said it couldnt be done.. I hope all goes well and great #'s out of it. Let us know of all steps and take PICTURES!!! for peoples future projects!=)

sxt · Post by **sxt** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:15 am

If someone makes a blower I hope they do a twin screw. Mmmm...instant torque.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:19 am

Jackson racing bolt on....mmmm

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:04 pm

Casketbearer wrote:I'll be sending lonewolf a m62 blower sometime this month. They plan to make me a manifold 1/2 off (bout $300 after discount) and use me as a guinea pig for testing. Their manifold come with custom fuel rails and a throttle body adapter. Sounds good to me!

if you could point them in the direction of this thread so that they can see we are extremely interested that would be great.

i have found a bunch of other pics of the srt prototype for those that are interested.
http://dumb-geek.com/kevo/srt_prototype/

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:32 pm

The sad part of this whole ordeal is GM jumped onto it and has a car now called a Cobalt SS thats a supercharged Ecotec motor that supposively will give the srt4 a good run....

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:29 pm

same thing used in the saturn ion redline. I belive we can get more out of this than they are showing. The specs that i have read show it runs at eatons original spec of 12psi. Theres gotta be a way to get more than that.

anyways here is the press release from saturn.
http://www.saturn.com/aboutus2/news/pressstory11.jsp

2004 Ecotec 2.0 Liter Supercharged Engine
Preliminary Specifications

Type: 2.0L inline 4-cylinder with supercharger
Displacement: 1998 cc
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Valve configuration: Dual overhead camshafts (4 valves per cylinder)
Valve lifters: Hydraulic roller finger follower
Firing order: 1-3-4-2
Bore & stroke: 86 x 86 mm
Bore ctr. to ctr.: 96 mm
Supercharger: Eaton M62 helical roots compressor
Intercooler: Water to air
Max boost pressure: 12 psi
Pulley ratio: 1.85:1
Oil cooling: Oil cooled pistons and direct mount oil cooler
Fuel type: Gasoline (premium unleaded recommended)
Fuel system: Sequential fuel injection with high pressure (56 psi)
Fuel shut off: 6500 rpm
Intake manifold: High flow, low restriction with integrated intercooler system
Throttle body: 68-mm electronic throttle control
Ignition system: High energy coil-on-plug
Horsepower: 200 hp @ 6200 (estimate - final figures in fall 2003)
Torque: (lb-ft): 200 lb-ft @ 4400 (estimate - final figures in fall 2003)
Spark plugs: Platinum tip (1.5-mm gap )
Oil: 5W30 / 7 quarts with filter change

i think the cobalt ss is 10-15 horses more than the redline.

about giving the srt a run for its money, not true. Ray from rev it up motorsports has both an srt and a cobalt ss. He has raced a stock srt and stock cobalt with others taking the gun alternating cars(i think his wife). The srt beats it hands down. He does however say that the cobalt SS has a much smoother ride and would definetely be his choice for daily driving. This was the same conclusion that was given in a recent magazine too.

Casketbearer · Post by **Casketbearer** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:02 pm

I already directed them here, and they might become a vendor here.

03-SXT · Post by **03-SXT** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:11 am

The only thing I can point out that is a down on the side of S/Cing a Neon is that you don't get a good gain and you have to lose power to make it.

For the same price you can Turbo an make more then double the power.

-TSXT

sxt · Post by **sxt** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:48 am

03-SXT wrote:The only thing I can point out that is a down on the side of S/Cing a Neon is that you don't get a good gain and you have to lose power to make it.

For the same price you can Turbo an make more then double the power.

-TSXT

Werd.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:41 am

03-SXT wrote:The only thing I can point out that is a down on the side of S/Cing a Neon is that you don't get a good gain and you have to lose power to make it.

For the same price you can Turbo an make more then double the power.

-TSXT

easier to install.
requires less tuning.
power right when you want it.
no need to wait for poorboy and others that have promised SOHC to SRT Mani adaptors.

If someone can bring theirs to 200HP then ill be as happy as i can hope to be.

Casketbearer · Post by **Casketbearer** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:00 pm

Less shit to plumb, quick throttle response. I mean, this is my daily driver and i'm tired of getting cut off on onramps by minivans. 200 hp would be fine.

sxt · Post by **sxt** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:34 am

I'm different, 200 hp isn't enough. I might be buying a SRT-4 block off this guy pretty soon and begin the process of swapping motors. So I'm gonna build the motor, run a AGP snail, etc...should be making around 430 at the wheels on pump. It's just gonna be a huge PITA, huge.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:50 am

you can NEVER have enough power, BUT im like the guy above....
N/A - sucks
Forced Induction - BLOWS
Id rather be blown...
im also tired of mini v's and lousy ponitac V6's making me look like a fool....It says R/T on my car damn it!

Lonewolf Performance · Post by **Lonewolf Performance** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:53 am

We'll, we finally made it over here. I will check into becoming a vendor and what all we need to do to become one. YES we are working with Casketbearer to come up with a supercharger intake that you can bolt on. It will have similar features of our race intakes. I'll try to help keep you all abreast as to the progress. It will take some time as we machine them from solid billet aluminum, but it will be worth the wait. I am positive they will make more power than the stock "Cobalt SS." But we'll have to wait and see how we do on some dyno time once it's all up and running. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, I'll answer as best I can.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:48 am

sweeet...

0111000001100100 · Post by **0111000001100100** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:34 am

Lonewolf Performance wrote:I am positive they will make more power than the stock "Cobalt SS."

Awesome. Just for the fact that its going to be 215+ hp!

ram50rocket · Post by **ram50rocket** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:43 pm

brr wrote:you can NEVER have enough power, BUT im like the guy above....
N/A - sucks
Forced Induction - BLOWS
Id rather be blown...
im also tired of mini v's and lousy ponitac V6's making me look like a fool....It says R/T on my car damn it!

hmm, I haven't had any problems yet.

As for the rest of you, don't get too excited, most of us have been dissapointed by this before (alpine).

Lonewolf Performance · Post by **Lonewolf Performance** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:45 pm

The goal will be as close to stock SRT4 as possible. We'll have to see, I'm not too comfortable pushing a stock internal motor past 230hp levels. I'm sure it can be done, but I have to factor in it being reliable too. There will be a throttle body adapter with it as well and I would suggest using a bigger one from a mini van or Jeep liberty with the 2.4 or 2.7, I can't remember off the top of my head which is 60mm.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:01 pm

i have a lame automatic. dont know how well any of this is going to work. maybe ill resort to switching it to manual if push comes to shove.

0111000001100100 · Post by **0111000001100100** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:06 pm

Lonewolf Performance wrote:The goal will be as close to stock SRT4 as possible. We'll have to see, I'm not too comfortable pushing a stock internal motor past 230hp levels. I'm sure it can be done, but I have to factor in it being reliable too. There will be a throttle body adapter with it as well and I would suggest using a bigger one from a mini van or Jeep liberty with the 2.4 or 2.7, I can't remember off the top of my head which is 60mm.

Is this going to end up in a complete kit (or near complete)? That would be extra sweet

ram50rocket · Post by **ram50rocket** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:20 pm

A complete kit? I think there intention is a one piece intake manifold, machined from one piece of solid billet aluminum.

Lonewolf Performance · Post by **Lonewolf Performance** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:59 pm

It will depend, the intake will include a fuel rail, and the adapter for the throttle body. If extra brackets are needed, then they will be included. It will be a "kit" minus the supercharger. Once we have one made, then it will be able to be adapted to the M45 or M90, but since the first one will be based off a M62, that will be the base model. I am not sure what hp levels the M62 will support. Were still researching that.

mospaxreton · Post by **mospaxreton** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:58 am

It all sounds good, cant wait. Hope the best for this project, crossing the fingers!

Lonewolf Performance · Post by **Lonewolf Performance** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:11 am

I can see that it will also have to be made so that one will be for a sohc and one for a dohc. Since it's a positive displacement type supercharger, runner length won't be as critical as for an n/a application. I've printed off the schematics that Casketbearer posted earlier here. It won't be impossible to do, but not a walk in the park either since for a dohc, the water neck will have to be milled into it as well like on our turbo intakes. As soon as I get the supercharger in, I'll post pics of the progress or send them to evilcreations and have Josh post them. I am not sure of your experience with others that have tried to build you things in the past, it sounds like you have been let down. The one thing with us is this, were enthusiast just like you. Only thing is we happen to be a machinist and have the equipment to build what we want. Our goal is to build quality parts that are VERY affordable. We want you to come back again and again. It may take some trial and error, but it will get done. If the factory could do it, then we will too. And hopefully have a full line so that even people with a 2.4 swap could do it also.

ram50rocket · Post by **ram50rocket** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:27 am

Ok now I'm getting excited, I would want a magnum sohc application. A blown magnum would be something else

http://www.automotive.eaton.com/product ... argers.asp

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