Motor Mount insert install HELP!!!!!!

03neonse03 · Post by **03neonse03** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:34 pm

i am currently as we speak installing the motor mount inserts on my car, problem is i have the top insert in but the screw doesn't go through all the way (middle of insert bolt). Also it was a bitch but i pushed the insert through on the bottom mm, but now i can't get the damn bolt aligned!! please some anyone help me out! i was looking for an easy install but the aligning of the bolts has made it a PITA

ewetho · Post by **ewetho** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:40 pm

I take this to mean you have the insert in and the bolt through the mount with insert but can not align the bolt back to the block......

If done one at a time just rock the engine (a friend is helpful, must provide with beer (if not old enough at least a Coke)) by hand and should realign itself. Use of a jack too, may also help.

If you have both off concentrate on one, bolt it up and then the other.

03neonse03 · Post by **03neonse03** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:07 am

well i got em but the top bolt is not through all the way, and neither is the bottom, the bottom bolt is in more than the top but the washer is still loose. we tightened as much as we could, tried rockin the engine and all but it was the best we could do. Any chance my engine will be falling out! lmao

SGT BRAD · Post by **SGT BRAD** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:15 am

those bolts are to be torqued fairly tightly. there is definitely something wrong if you haven't gotten the bolts all of the way into the torque struts and snug. something weird is going on here since this shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to do. take some pics and let us see if maybe you've got the inserts in wrong.
brad

03neonse03 · Post by **03neonse03** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:34 pm

alright well the pics will be up sometime today....

03neonse03 · Post by **03neonse03** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:12 pm

this is how it curretly sits, the bottom mount is the same except the end of the screw is flush through the hole where is should be sticking out. i tried rocking the motor, jacking it up, etc and still wasn't able to get the screw in all the way
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03neonse03 · Post by **03neonse03** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:21 pm

thanks, so what do you guys think.......i might be takin the car into a shop where they can properly align the bolts and stuff, i just hope the threads aren't shot,

SGT BRAD · Post by **SGT BRAD** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:11 pm

i was just thinking that maybe you did indeed cross thread the holes. put a jack under the car to support the passenger's side. pull both of the torque struts off and take a look at the holes. maybe it's just a matter of taking a step back and starting over.

sullygully · Post by **sullygully** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:57 pm

Loosen the other bolt holding the mount to the frame, and you will be able to line it up. Just make sure you have a jack under the engine before hand.

If you havn't done the bottom one yet, if you have access to a c-clamp, you won't need to take the bolt out in the first place.

03neonse03 · Post by **03neonse03** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:29 am

well my car is going to the shop, mainly to get the bolts aligned properly, and a few other things checked, i was at work all day today so didn't get a chance to work on it. anyway i'm thinking your suggestion would work SGTBRAD but i don't want to risk damaging anything anymore than it MIGHT be. its my friend's dads shop so i'm sure he will hook me up! ill let you guys know what happens tomorrow. thank you for your suggestions!!!

03neonse03 · Post by **03neonse03** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:20 pm

well the shop said that they were able to get the bottom screw all the way in no problems, but they said that they weren't sure if the top was supposed to stick out like the bottom, i think it is, they suspect the screw isn't long enough. anyone have any pics of them installed?

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:07 pm

I just checked mine... that bolt comes almost but not quite flush with the surface facing the valve cover.

03neonse03 · Post by **03neonse03** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:31 pm

so it is not sticking out like the bottom, correct?
like mine just a bit further?

Wenuden · Post by **Wenuden** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:10 pm

sorry about this, but it's something that really erks me. it's a bolt, not a screw. a screw has some sort of tool slot on the head, whether it be slotted, phillips, allen, torx, whatever. Bolts require the use of a wrench, socket, or nut driver, etc. /rant

as long as it's tight against the washer (washer unable to move) and it's not threaded in only a few threads, you'll be fine. there's no reason it would HAVE to stick out the other side to retain the motor mount properly. there's no mechanical advantage to that. drive it for a few days and recheck it. if it really worries you, remove it, put some loc-tite on the first 3 threads of the bolt, and reinstall it.

Edit: can someone who has done it please describe the torque strut alignment process, as i believe my lack of doing this is causing some problems with my car since my insert install, and i can't find a haynes manual anywhere. i knew the car would vibrate with the race prothanes, but it's steadily getting worse. (not a thread jack, as OP should do this too).

03neonse03 · Post by **03neonse03** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:57 pm

i didn't mean to refer it as a screw, typing fast not paying full attention=mistakes.

hopefully you get your problem figured out, i got the BOLTS in properly, so i'm all good.

what other problems are you experiencing, also what do you mean when you are referring to the torque strut alignment process?

Wenuden · Post by **Wenuden** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:27 pm

apparently whenever you remove the torque strut (dunno if removing the bolts from just the block ends matters) the torque struts might possibly twist out of alignment? i dunno, just wondering if doing whatever the haynes manual says will help the worsening vibration i'm getting. it used to be only when i started the car i'd get a hard vibration, now it's pretty constant, alot more noticeable when starting in first and shifting. i bet everyone that said my clutch is going in my loss of power thread are right, but i'd still like to do whatever the haynes says, just to be safe.

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:31 pm

03neonse03 wrote:so it is not sticking out like the bottom, correct?
like mine just a bit further?

I don't know about the bottom, but my upper is as described.

03neonse03 · Post by **03neonse03** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:59 pm

well they put a longer bolt in and it went all the way through, i was told that it was better this way (longer bolt) because with it not all the way in, either the bolt or engine mount that it's bolted to could possibly break