to cam or not? (crane 004)

nalm · Post by **nalm** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:14 pm

i have a crane 004 cam. i im trying to decide if i wanna install it or sell it.
i know i will need MS to run it new vavles and a cam gear , now i am pretty sure i need porting to run this cam? (non mag) and what kinda gaisn am i lookin at with this cam(just deciding if its the way i wanna go) thanks

blue demon02 · Post by **blue demon02** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:19 pm

The 004 is not for a stock motor. the 004 is for a highly modded motor port/polish, higher compression, better flowing intake, LTH and thte rest of the exhaust. ETc, ETC.

nalm · Post by **nalm** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:28 pm

i didnt metion the header or intake cause its pretty much a given, now will an r/t head be fine? and what kinda port job on my stock head ( non mag)am i lookign at?, as far as compression i was uping that anyway if i put a cam in my car

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:38 am

do a mag head with p&p if you can get your hands on one.

nalm · Post by **nalm** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:00 pm

see im debaiting this here
1 either a MS or afx with an s-afc
2 an rt head and up graded springs and such with higher compression
3 a long tube header
4 a new intake not sure what yet and a 60mm tb
5 and my crane 004
i just dont wanna do this and end up with 150whp, i would like to be in the 14's to be happy i guess for now lol but if this isnt gonna even make me close, i will sell the cam and try a new path
thanks for your help

SGT BRAD · Post by **SGT BRAD** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:20 am

sell the cam and get a 14. you'll be happier with it and you can modify the motor as you go instead of having to do everything at once to see any gains from the cam. my guess is that you'll break valve springs and lose bottom end if you just install the 004 into an otherwise stock motor. btw isn't the 004 geared more towards a turbo motor set-up? i'll have to look into it.

freerider · Post by **freerider** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:08 pm

even with a 14, the cam lobes are more aggressive and won't fit on a stock head. He would need to bore out section where the came is on the head to get it to fit.

You would also need (to not destroy something) new valve springs, and new TITANIUM retainers (without them your 14 would send a spring through your hood). thats just from a head p.o.v.

You would also need pistons, rods, the works.

crane cam 12 is a good turbo grind cam. The 14 is probably THE N/A cam I would go with on a N/A build.

http://www.cranecams.com/?show=browsePa ... r=158-0012

link to cranes site for the 12.

http://www.cranecams.com/?show=browsePa ... r=158-0014

link on the 14.

EDIT* im with SGT BRAD. Sell the 004 and buy a 14 if anything.

00element10 · Post by **00element10** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:37 pm

you wont need ti retainers, people have argued about it for a long time, there's no need for ti retainers, especially on a street driven car.

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:47 pm

why would you say a 14 crame cam will not fit into a stock head??? the cam fits fine... ???? Did I miss something here?

freerider · Post by **freerider** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:50 pm

I have heard people on other forums have problems with the 14 not fitting. Just what I have heard.

nalm · Post by **nalm** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:58 pm

hi, no the cam will fit in the head with out boring anything if i remember right, the 004 is basicly the crane 16 wich is a lil more agressive then the 14,,, i plan on upgradeing the springs and vavles

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:03 am

I'll trade you my Magnum cam for the 004

yellowpatrol · Post by **yellowpatrol** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:41 am

Yeah It'll fit.

bone-yard-racing · Post by **bone-yard-racing** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:39 am

Isnt the 004 the old PN for the 14? I always thought the only cams with single digit PN's were custom grinds. Where does the 004 fit?
95
10
mag
200
12
400
14
007
005
008

14 fits fine in stock head. You dont need the mag head and or MsQ to run any cam just some good springs, to get the most out of the cam you do need the good stuff though.

infil · Post by **infil** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:06 pm

freerider wrote:even with a 14, the cam lobes are more aggressive and won't fit on a stock head. He would need to bore out section where the came is on the head to get it to fit.

You would also need (to not destroy something) new valve springs, and new TITANIUM retainers (without them your 14 would send a spring through your hood). thats just from a head p.o.v.

You would also need pistons, rods, the works.

crane cam 12 is a good turbo grind cam. The 14 is probably THE N/A cam I would go with on a N/A build.

http://www.cranecams.com/?show=browsePa ... r=158-0012

link to cranes site for the 12.

http://www.cranecams.com/?show=browsePa ... r=158-0014

link on the 14.

EDIT* im with SGT BRAD. Sell the 004 and buy a 14 if anything.

dood, the 14 fits the head just fine, so does the 05. 05 requires lash caps on the exhaust valves as they achieve more lift by dropping the base circle of the lobes. The 14 lobes are right at the journal, and if you just try to slam it in, chances are it wont go, but if you take your time and install it right it fits fine.

The 05 is the big all motor cam, however there have been very mixed results with it. iirc the 05 is the big all motor cam, 07 is big turbo grind, and cant remember, believe the 03 is the other one and dont recall the suggested application. I know the 05 has had mixed results with cars, some have gained, some have lost, including losses on built high comp ms motors.
the 07 is basically a 14 with more duration which i can see helpign on higher compression but having a moderate effect on a stock motor.

soul_sword34 · Post by **soul_sword34** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:36 pm

freerider wrote:I have heard people on other forums have problems with the 14 not fitting. Just what I have heard.

Dude don't ever say anything unless you know not what you've heard.

nalm · Post by **nalm** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:19 am

it would land somewhere between the 14 and the 007 , it was a custom grind im sure if i remember right,

bone-yard-racing wrote:Isnt the 004 the old PN for the 14? I always thought the only cams with single digit PN's were custom grinds. Where does the 004 fit?
95
10
mag
200
12
400
14
007
005
008

14 fits fine in stock head. You dont need the mag head and or MsQ to run any cam just some good springs, to get the most out of the cam you do need the good stuff though.

nalm · Post by **nalm** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:29 am

the numbers on my cam and box are CHR226/355-25-10 (158CHR0004 also on box ) , it is a custom grind and it a lil bigger then the 14
thanks for the help

the cam specs can be seen here

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:37 am

Straight off the spec card for my COMP 400...

Gross Valve Lift: 0.384"/0.336"
Duration @ 0.000" valve lift: 259deg/266deg
Duration @ 0.050" valve lift: 205deg/206deg

Intake valve timing at 0.050" lift: opens at 7deg ATDC, close at 32deg ABDC
Exhaust valve timing at 0.050" lift: opens at 33deg BBDC, closes at 7deg BTDC
Intake lobe centerline 108.0deg
Exhaust lobe centerline 108.0deg