Stupid Laws!

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:04 pm

Haha, this whole thread is a joke. Defending sex offenders..

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:04 pm

Canada wrote:Vinny is full of wisdom.

Yeah, thats what it is

I kidd, I kidd

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:14 pm

Regression FTW! Morality FTL!

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:24 pm

03blackrt wrote:Haha, this whole thread is a joke. Defending sex offenders..

so your saying you agree with the what the parents did and that even tho they were together for over two years the second he turns 18 it is all of a sudden not legal?

so when he is 1 min away from turning 18 and they have sex it is okay but once that whole minute is up and he turns 18 he goes to jail for 2 years?

also he is not a sex offender, if anything she is the one that should be going to jail, hes told me shes horny then him...

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:35 pm

It doesn't matter how messed up it is. The law is the law.

So technically yes, he is a sex offender. His future is going to blow now.

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:38 pm

law is a law i understand that.

Do you guys agree with the law?

1st gen troll · Post by **1st gen troll** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:42 pm

If we go by legal definitions, I defend a lot of so-called "sex offenders." The laws are too extreme, too vague, and they just don't work. Keep in mind that despite the fact that these people are considered children in this society, their bodies are mature and trying to prevent this age group from having sex is going against nature. As recent as 150 years ago (or less in some instances) people this age and in many different cultures would generally have been married and having kids already.

Obviously a case like this is a far cry from say a 20yr old fucking a 12yr old.

racer12306 wrote: So technically yes, he is a sex offender. His future is going to blow now.

And that is a down right shame, we should be embarrassed to live in a country with a legal system which allows such things to happen.

Someone should start a petition, not an online one, but a real one. Someone needs to try and help this kid out, the law needs changed.

Chibits12 · Post by **Chibits12** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:47 pm

If this happens in a conservative country in the middle east, he'll get more than just 2 years of prison. Laws are created by man only and they exist today due to the complexity of the social fabric in our society, or which we call the western civilization, today. 1st gen troll makes sense but the past can no longer apply in today's standards.

Then again, America is the highly litigious country in the world where anyone can easily get sued, even for a hot cup of coffee.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:52 pm

A law is a law. Don't like it... move to the Netherlands... or maybe Canada.

I hear Funbag Junction has some vacancies too!

Is it right to throw him in jail... no. But is it right to be ucking a sixteen year old girl in the first place... no (morally specking, for the last 100 years). Even if she's horny. That's where responsibility comes in... Life is a great thing, and you gotta have a little self control, morality too; that’s what differentiates us from ‘animals’. Laws (in theory) are to help hold on to that little bit of morality that gets lost in some people, which is another topic of discussion entirely… but let’s not discuss human evolution, that may get some panties in a bundle

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:07 am

So then you're saying 16 year olds in general CAN'T fuck, even if both people are below the age of 17?

Damn knows I was having sex before i hit 18.... should I (because of my girlfriend who was a year and a half younger than me) be in jail right now?

Chibits12 · Post by **Chibits12** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:16 am

Just imagine a prison teeming with teenagers because of sex lol. That would not be good.

1st gen troll · Post by **1st gen troll** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:20 am

03blackrt wrote:Is it right to throw him in jail... no. But is it right to be ucking a sixteen year old girl in the first place... no (morally specking, for the last 100 years). Even if she's horny. That's where responsibility comes in...

So you are apparently saying that two years is too big of a difference at that age? So these two were together for two years, was he supposed to just dump her because he turned 18 because a small minority of people MIGHT have a problem with it? Your statement lacks logic.

Life is a great thing, and you gotta have a little self control, morality too; that’s what differentiates us from ‘animals’. Laws (in theory) are to help hold on to that little bit of morality that gets lost in some people, which is another topic of discussion entirely… but let’s not discuss human evolution, that may get some panties in a bundle

So what differentiates us from animals is the ability to attempt fighting nature? Our bodies are pre-programmed to start trying to fuck at that age, and you are saying there is a moral problem with that? I don't know what kind of morals you were raised with...

And what does life supposedly being a great thing have to do with kids wanting to fuck? If you truly think life is a great thing though, I fear for you. Life is not great, certainly not for our generation, let's be realistic.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:32 am

Arguing is useless with some people... that's why I won't be arguing.

*unsubscribed to thread*

1st gen troll · Post by **1st gen troll** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:46 am

Yeah I was gonna give up too, I was hoping you would start making sense though.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:53 am

I don't see how mutual sex should ever be a crime..if they're over 16.

You know what you're doing at 16. The state shouldn't have to decide for you.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:58 am

1st gen troll wrote:I was hoping you would start making sense though.

You're not the first to say that to me.

But I promise, I'm not retarded... or am I

Ther're are few that understand me... and I wouldn't expect for them to be found here

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:25 am

16 year olds do not look 16...some are extremely stupid hot

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:35 am

1st gen troll wrote:As recent as 150 years ago (or less in some instances) people this age and in many different cultures would generally have been married and having kids already.

Before you start throwing out random "facts" know your history first, ok? Most people in Western Society were NOT married at that time 150 yrs ago. Especially in the Middle and Upper or Elite classes in Europe and America. As a matter of fact, at this time the beginning of the first industrial revolution was coming to an end and most people where moving out of the country and into the cities (like London, Berlin, Paris, NY...) The formation of working towns was also created and most people were too busy to either "date" as we know it, or as they called it "court" because they worked too much.

Also, the reason that a lot did get married that young or even have kids that young was because 1) the younger you were the better chance YOU (the woman) or your baby had a chance of surviving. Child Birth was extremely dangerous for women back then, and most women did not want to have kids because of it. 2) The average life expectancy for most people then was closer to 45 yrs old, so at 16 you are already a 3rd of the way through your life. If you want to make comparisons to that, then lets use this math - the average life expectancy in Western culture is in the upper 70's, and for arguments sake let's say 75. So that means we should be having kids more like 25 since our life is a third over. So being 16 and having sex should still be considered an adult, eh?

All I have to say is that the parents of both kids should have taught them better. Blame neo-conservatives, christian collalition, right-wingers, whatever you want to call them, but the truth is that most kids can't handle the responsibility of sex. There are a lot of consequences that come with it.

I would like to point out that the left wing, government help us, gimme gimme gimme, socialist, secular progressives I hear complaining about how the law sucks need to consider one thing - laws are there for a reason, if you don't like it, do something to change it. Don't whine and complain and try to turn the blame on the system. I hate sitting here reading people saying how unfair it is and think because of that they have a right to break the law, then when caught whine some more about fairness.

We live in a system that has the ability to change as times change, but the problem is that most peopel are too fricking lazy to do anything about it! Stop whining and get off your lazy butts and make a change, use the system to get your ends met. But please, shut up and deal with it if you aint gonna do a thing about it and stop breaking the laws.

Post by **racer12306** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:34 am

This is the other thing...

Laws NEED to be black and white. There can not be any grey area in them, ideally. In a situation like this there is a lot of personal opinion. Some people may think it's fine for a 20 year old and a 16 year old to be together, some may not. They need to draw a line somewhere. And that line is draw at the age when people are considered to be "adults", 18. And since she is a minor, she can not legally make her own decisions, therefore its the parents place to make her decisions.

Sure when that 16 year old is 20 and the 20 year old is 24, no one will think twice about it.

Could the judge have some sympathy, sure. That's always possible, just hope he doesn't have a 16 year old daughter at home.

1st gen troll · Post by **1st gen troll** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:01 am

kc2002acr wrote:
1st gen troll wrote:As recent as 150 years ago (or less in some instances) people this age and in many different cultures would generally have been married and having kids already.
Before you start throwing out random "facts" know your history first, ok? Most people in Western Society were NOT married at that time 150 yrs ago. Especially in the Middle and Upper or Elite classes in Europe and America.

Cite your sources. And I was not referring to the middle and upper classes specifically, nor western society.

I can't cite sources I admit, but I read a bunch of random shit, I wasn't just pulling it out of my ass. Educate me, I missed out on a lot by not being able to go to high school.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:38 am

Wow, this is one of those subjects that we all need to agree to disagree. Everyone has their own idea of what age difference is moral. The point here is that either way, the law states what is allowed, and what is not. If it was important from them to get it on, your friend needed to either gain consent from the parents or do a whole lot of political work to get the law changed.
I personally think there's nothing wrong with 16 and 18. My opinion doesn't matter. The law does.
That being said, the girl's parents are complete douches for doing that to him. If I were his dad, I would first slap the shit out of my son for not keeping it in his pants. Then, I would go after the girl's parents with anything I could. I'd set up surveillance to catch them littering, smoking pot, "verbally abusing" their daughter, speeding, drinking and driving, and any other little crap here and there that happens all the time but is not really enforced. Those parents would have to walk on eggshells for years until I got tired of hassling them. Then when they get relaxed again, I would nail them with more shit.

Sexy02sxt · Post by **Sexy02sxt** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:44 am

Wow, this topic got really heated.
Honestly, if you weren't having sex by the time you were 18, then you can say "hey, he should have known better." But I doubt that is the case. The majority of you have had sex by then and you have the nerve to say that he shouldn't have been doing it in the first place cuz suddenly it became illegal? Nevermind that they have been together for over 2 years right? They just shouldn't have been having sex? Yea right. You were teenagers, (and some of you still are) you know how it is. You do stupid risky shit. Still, something like this doesn't deserve that kind of punishment.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:20 pm

I was 18 my first time, and I have NEVER had sex with anyone under 18. I've had my fun, don't get me wrong. But I never saw a reason to risk something like that. I could do a better job than any woman could anyway. My hand just wasn't warm and wet.
Kids, if you're gonna play, find one your age, and make sure it's wrapped. Every soldier goes to battle with his helmet on.

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:47 pm

My biggest problem with this situation (morals aside) is the punishment for an action that was not malicious in nature and yet from here on he is classified with those who have committed sexual violence in a malicious manner. The two are completely different, and that is where I feel this is a tragedy.

Sexy02sxt · Post by **Sexy02sxt** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:53 pm

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:54 pm

Kelevra · Post by **Kelevra** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:10 pm

Well, I had a report filed against me for this last night. I'm 18, she's 16, age of consent in both states is 16 (yes its a long distance relationship. but yeah, I dont want the sluts around here) anyway, when her father filed the report the officer said there's nothing he can really do because she's 16 and at the age of consent :phew: I think I dodged a bullet. but I still cant talk to her till she's 18

but! she's going behind her dads back for this one

love conquers all

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:13 pm

can someone tel me the age of consent in wisconsin? i found this link but i cant get anything out of it

http://moraloutrage.net/staticpages/ind ... =Wisconsin

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:15 pm

Like i said earlier, those 16 year olds are dangerous!

Kelevra · Post by **Kelevra** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:16 pm

WISCONSIN 18

http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/consent.htm

Opi wrote:Like i said earlier, those 16 year olds are dangerous!

it's their parents who are. but I cant get in trouble for anything. the officer said so. her dad was pissed when he found that out

but we're still going to be going out and sneaking conversation here and there. so this is to her dad

he pulled the "i served this country for 9 years in the air force" (I believe he was 'honorably'

discharged) bs. my dad served in the USCG, my grandfather was a union county (NJ) constable. 2 of my uncles are police officers. 1 more is retired police and fire rescue. and my cousin was in the navy and is now a firefighter. hows that?