Retrofit Headlights with HIDs (SRT-4)

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:58 pm

From reading what he said, I think he's mainly talking about the glare vs. a clear cut-out line. Yeah I do wanna see what you take a pic of.

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:55 pm

VampOfVegas wrote:If you put HIDs in those the beam will be scattered and you will cause glare.

now its not nice to lie like that man...

i have those CRAP projectors on my car, and I have HID's in them...

you know what's funny? they have a decently sharp cutoff, and NO glare...

i'm with glasswars on this one...hid's in these projectors arent terrible, and much better than with halogens... hardly any reason to call them CRAP though.....

call them an introduction to what HID and projectors can do....

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:02 pm

It might depend on what factory in China made the "ebay" projectors. My cutoff line with my H4's is sharp, and I can't imagine a brighter bulb changing that.

Glasswars was going to take some pics for us. If not maybe you can.

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:06 pm

i'll take my camera with me tonight and get some shots

neonperformance88 · Post by **neonperformance88** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:14 pm

so, where should i get my projector headlights.... i dont know anymore.... i dont wanna kill anybody!! lol

neonperformance88 · Post by **neonperformance88** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:12 pm

bump.. anyone know where i can get those bulbs?

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:10 am

read post 16 again. http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?p=364107#364107

You're glaring the hell out of everyone coming towards you.

HID in Stock Housing < Halogen in Stock Housing < HID in EBAY Projector < Halogen in EBAY Projectors < HID in Retrofit

/end thread.

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:20 am

Vamp...........

again...stop saying that hid's in a halogen projectors cause glare, THEY DONT, some may, but the specific ones were talking about dont

yes the beam is kinda uneven, and not as wide as oem projectors, but there's no glare...

xenon in a halogen stock reflector causes glare, were not disputing that, but hid in a halogen projector doesnt.........

ok how about this, its not worth arguing over since a) you're not trying to sell them in this thread and b) most neon owners cant afford a retro done by someone else and c) not everyone cares that much about their lighting.....

oh, one more thing...when people question your opinion, or say something thats not 100% positive towards you, dont get so defensive...

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:39 am

I'm not defensive just trying to weed out the misinformation. Talk to Haknslash, even he says they still glare and have bad hotspots and hes the KING of HIDS/Retros of Neons and other cars. I'm pretty much done posting with this because I cannot help people believe that ebay projectors suck because people do not drive at their own car to realize this. Same as the SRT-4 owners buying the ebay intercoolers for $100.

Thanks for all your kinds words

NiteHawk wrote:Vamp...........

again...stop saying that hid's in a halogen projectors cause glare, THEY DONT, some may, but the specific ones were talking about dont

yes the beam is kinda uneven, and not as wide as oem projectors, but there's no glare...

xenon in a halogen stock reflector causes glare, were not disputing that, but hid in a halogen projector doesnt.........

ok how about this, its not worth arguing over since a) you're not trying to sell them in this thread and b) most neon owners cant afford a retro done by someone else and c) not everyone cares that much about their lighting.....

oh, one more thing...when people question your opinion, or say something thats not 100% positive towards you, dont get so defensive...

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:44 am

why why why why must everyone bash each other, geez if he thinks ebay projectors are crap so be it, if he thinks the ones he sells are better so be it, i dont care for either but what i do care is that this subject is gettting drawn out way more that what it is, if nobody has the money for the lights then do what everyone else does (like my self) dont buy it, if he was selling them for $3000 if people wanted to buy them more power to them.

If you think that your lights are better or "not crap" as stated then since this isnt a forsale post, your allowed to post pictures of your light to prove your thoughts.

Please play nice eveyone.

-KracK

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:50 am

About time someone understands! Thank you. You could just delete this thread, would be a lot easier. lol. I wouldnt mind.

If not, I still point to post 16 with pictures of both shown. But since most people dont know how I guess i'll quote it.

VampOfVegas wrote:bah they look so bad. You can see the dark spots all over and its just crasy scattered. Most pics taken from here: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f123/pe ... ro-203383/

From Haknslash:The beam is not ideal.

Notice the lack of a even distribution of light output? Notice the horrid hot spots and stray lines of light? That is typical of cheap quality halogen projectors. To think these proejctor somehow come with decent equipment is just not realistic. Sure you'll have a "cutoff" and sure it will minimize glare issues over the stock halogen reflector headlights, but it's still a bandaid for proper HID lighting.

your best bet if you want ideal OEM HID performance is to ditch the crappy halogen projector and replace it with a HID designed projector. There is a reason why there is a warning label on these headlights that says "HID balb (should say bulb) not allowed".....

EBAY PROJECTOR WITH HIDS

True Projector retrofits look like this:

SOHCKing03 · Post by **SOHCKing03** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:22 pm

Well someone has yet to post up output pictures for ebay ones.

That "post 16" doesn't even show a picture of an ebay projector with cutoff on the wall. So it's like comparing apples to oranges until you get the right pictures up.

-Brad

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:37 pm

SOHCKing03 wrote:Well someone has yet to post up output pictures for ebay ones.

That "post 16" doesn't even show a picture of an ebay projector with cutoff on the wall. So it's like comparing apples to oranges until you get the right pictures up.

-Brad

yes it does, lol. The first two pictures...............
I enlarged the captions and even colored it so people can see it clearly in the post above.

But again.. more proof.... If you cannot see the difference i'm finished trying to educate and save you time and someones eyes.

NEON EBAY W/ HID

(clearly its pointed high up to make up for the crap projection and in turn you're glaring people)

NEON TRUE RETROFIT W/ HID

Perfect output, You can see the side walk and everything around and far away while keeping a very nice cut off.

NeonOn19s · Post by **NeonOn19s** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:49 pm

I see the diference completely vamp... and I know that the only way for me to get these is to change my front end to a 03-05.... which stinks, I would have grabbed a pair awhile back... please let me know if you ever decide to do the 00-02 headlights....

Thanks...

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:51 pm

NeonOn19s wrote:I see the diference completely vamp... and I know that the only way for me to get these is to change my front end to a 03-05.... which stinks, I would have grabbed a pair awhile back... please let me know if you ever decide to do the 00-02 headlights....

Thanks...

will do.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:55 pm

Yeah unfortunately this is just an academicd discussion for those of us who are '00-'02 and have no interest in changing our front ends and headlight housings.

Might be more important to me if that was something done to the earlier lights, too. But it ain't.

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:03 pm

Arro wrote:Yeah unfortunately this is just an academid discussion for those of us who are '00-'02 and have no interest in changing our front ends and headlight housings.

Might be more important to me if that was something done to the earlier lights, too. But it ain't.

ok.

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:03 pm

hahaha, thats not glare, thats improperly aimed headlights.........you could glare people with improperly aimed retros too man...

which reminds me....i had some a$$ in a BMW a few months back with "glare" because his projectors were aimed way too high....they were definatly not highs, as they had a shar cutoff w/ "z" pattern..... so i guess that was crap projectors too since there was lots of "glare"...oh well

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:07 pm

NiteHawk wrote:hahaha, thats not glare, thats improperly aimed headlights.........you could glare people with improperly aimed retros too man...

*sigh* Now if you aimed the ebay ones down.. you wouldnt be able to see very far and would further just hot spot. Further making it horrible for HIDS. Are we done yet? You must have the ebay ones huh?

NiteHawk wrote: which reminds me....i had some a$$ in a BMW a few months back with "glare" because his projectors were aimed way too high....they were definatly not highs, as they had a shar cutoff w/ "z" pattern..... so i guess that was crap projectors too since there was lots of "glare"...oh well

Thats totally different. That could be prevented. These ebay ones cannot be prevetned from glaring.. Sorry.

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:09 pm

VampOfVegas wrote:
NiteHawk wrote:hahaha, thats not glare, thats improperly aimed headlights.........you could glare people with improperly aimed retros too man...
*sigh* Now if you aimed the ebay ones down.. you wouldnt be able to see very far and would further just hot spot. Further making it horrible for HIDS. Are we done yet? You must have the ebay ones huh?

that's funny...cause i can see just fine with mine propperly aimed...

ill take some pics when i'm on my way home from work tonight as long as its not raining......rain+fumbling with a camera+moving vehicle isnt safe

VampOfVegas wrote:Thats totally different. That could be prevented. These cannot be prevetned from glaring.. Sorry.

yes it can be...aim them propperly and you wont be blinding people...simple enough

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:11 pm

NiteHawk wrote:
VampOfVegas wrote:
NiteHawk wrote:hahaha, thats not glare, thats improperly aimed headlights.........you could glare people with improperly aimed retros too man...
*sigh* Now if you aimed the ebay ones down.. you wouldnt be able to see very far and would further just hot spot. Further making it horrible for HIDS. Are we done yet? You must have the ebay ones huh?
that's funny...cause i can see just fine with mine propperly aimed...

ill take some pics when i'm on my way home from work tonight as long as its not raining......rain+fumbling with a camera+moving vehicle isnt safe

i figured you had the ebay ones. so now you're the defensive one =))

just park the car on a road. you dont have to drive the car to take a picture.

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:12 pm

VampOfVegas wrote:
NiteHawk wrote:
VampOfVegas wrote: *sigh* Now if you aimed the ebay ones down.. you wouldnt be able to see very far and would further just hot spot. Further making it horrible for HIDS. Are we done yet? You must have the ebay ones huh?
that's funny...cause i can see just fine with mine propperly aimed...

ill take some pics when i'm on my way home from work tonight as long as its not raining......rain+fumbling with a camera+moving vehicle isnt safe
i figured you had the ebay ones. so now you're the defensive one =))

just park the car on a road. you dont have to drive the car to take a picture.

haha, this is far from being defensive...

i'm just simply stating a fact, you yourself said that they were aimed high...thats user error, not product error

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:15 pm

NiteHawk wrote:
VampOfVegas wrote:
NiteHawk wrote: that's funny...cause i can see just fine with mine propperly aimed...

ill take some pics when i'm on my way home from work tonight as long as its not raining......rain+fumbling with a camera+moving vehicle isnt safe
i figured you had the ebay ones. so now you're the defensive one =))

just park the car on a road. you dont have to drive the car to take a picture.
haha, this is far from being defensive...

i'm just simply stating a fact, you yourself said that they were aimed high...thats user error, not product error

2nd time i have to say this.. now if you aim them low you are getting bad hot spots. Just take the picture and post it. Look at the bad distribution of light. You have hot spots and then you have really dark spots. Thats is crap lighting....

I know its nowhere near Retrofit, if you like it fine good for you that you saved 600.00 to spend on something else. But for someone like me that loves lighting, that would never do for me.

Why can you not understand that Retrofit>Ebay?

and did anyone read Haknslash's quote I put in that thread? He, in my eyes, is the king of retros and hids. Here it is again about the Ebay Projectors:

Quote Haknslash:

Notice the lack of a even distribution of light output? Notice the horrid hot spots and stray lines of light? That is typical of cheap quality halogen projectors. To think these proejctor somehow come with decent equipment is just not realistic. Sure you'll have a "cutoff" and sure it will minimize glare issues over the stock halogen reflector headlights, but it's still a bandaid for proper HID lighting.

your best bet if you want ideal OEM HID performance is to ditch the crappy halogen projector and replace it with a HID designed projector. There is a reason why there is a warning label on these headlights that says "HID balb (should say bulb) not allowed".....

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:37 pm

i understand very well that a retro by far outperforms these headlights, i've never said otherwise...

what i AM saying though, is that you are wrong in telling everyone that you're putting other drivers at risk by using these projector headlights w/ hid's in them.....

telling people there's going to be lots of glare when there is not, and then admitting that the reason WHY that picture showed glare, was only because the headlights were aimed too high..........

dont call user error "glare", because it's not. If someone improperly aims an oem retro, it's just as dangerous to other drivers as these projector headlights w/ hid's in them are when improperly aimed

i'm not debating whether these are better or not, because they're not, its irresponsible to imagine that a set of $200(or however much you paid for them) projector headlights from modern and/or ebay would outperform true oem xenon projectors. But lets keep our facts straight if were going to bash a product that so many like and have bought...

for what you're paying for them, they're a great introduction into projectors, nothing more. they're not the be all end all of retrofitting, and there will always be something better.

just stop calling user error "glare" and tell it like it is

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:40 pm

*sigh* back to this image again..

lol I'm going to be the better man and stop. No one is even listening.

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:43 pm

VampOfVegas wrote:*sigh* back to this image again..

I would just be happy w/ some silverstars... don't really care for the HID and i won't be buying the eBay projectors

My .02

VampOfVegas · Post by **VampOfVegas** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:46 pm

2k1MotorSport wrote:
VampOfVegas wrote:*sigh* back to this image again..

I would just be happy w/ some silverstars... don't really care for the HID and i won't be buying the eBay projectors

My .02

Put very nicely!

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:54 pm

with most of the discussions/arguments on here i seem to be in the middle.

Everyone is right, since it's what they feel is right. But.. everyone is wrong. Just because someone doesn't agree with what you have to say doesn't mean that they are against you. Just that they have a different view.

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:18 pm

2k1MotorSport wrote:with most of the discussions/arguments on here i seem to be in the middle.

Everyone is right, since it's what they feel is right. But.. everyone is wrong. Just because someone doesn't agree with what you have to say doesn't mean that they are against you. Just that they have a different view.

agreed most people dont get the concept of a forum its to discuss issues or concerns, i never understand why people take words over the internet so personal. Man if i got mad at everything people said about me i would be locked up along time ago, I rather save my energy for face to face cituations...

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:20 pm

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