Cobalt SS finally brings some heat

deep1ca · Post by **deep1ca** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:59 am

Srt4 VS turbo cobalt SS.

You srt4 guys look out for those new cobalts.

They now come strapped with a turbo and stock 260hp.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/28/offi ... s-at-sema/

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:43 am

I actually considered a Cobalt when my car was (briefly) up for sale. Pretty high praise for a GM product if I looked at it. Off-topic but your post made me think of this. This new one looks pretty hot- really think that DCX missed the boat on the Caliber

"SRT-4" (the car was in the works before Chrysler was on it's own so you can't blame the Americans for that piece of crap).

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:30 am

to bad it isnt released till late next year...

ZeroChad · Post by **ZeroChad** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:25 am

Yeah we found out about a month ago at SAE.

The exterior is not too bad. The only parts I don't like are the wheels and rear lip. I've heard good things about the GXP engine, so we'll see how she does. I'm rooting for it.

Crashin · Post by **Crashin** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:45 am

05neonsxt wrote:to bad it isnt released till late next year...

That's perfect for me, that's when I'll be looking for a new car. I like the looks, I never really noticed the Cobalts before.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:59 am

repost and it still looks ugly lol

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:49 am

J-Villa wrote:repost and it still looks ugly lol

I still think it looks better than the caliber.. Which isn't saying much

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:06 pm

they are both ugly but i would rather take the caliber over the cobalt

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:40 pm

I'm sure it won't be cheap, so if I was spending the $ I would leave the sport compacts and go with a Charger or Challenger. As far as new cars...

Now if they would just resurrsect Plymouth and build 'Cudas

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:48 pm

J-Villa wrote:they are both ugly but i would rather take the caliber over the cobalt

I'd take the lighter of the two cars.

But I won't buy either.

oklamopar · Post by **oklamopar** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:05 pm

260 HP. Now is that bhp or crankshaft hp?
srt-4 neon is rated bhp (at the wheels).
just curious.

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:16 pm

that has got to be crank... no one ever really advertises at the wheel. and SRT's i believe run 230 at the wheel (250 at the crank) something like that.

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:25 pm

BHP is basically HP/Torque measured at the crank with a water brake. (dyno basically) Not sure if it is the same as gross or net though. Net being with all the driven accessories running @ the crank. Gross with nothing being driven by the crank. I think all figures given these days is net hp. Pre '71 was gross. That's why in the Chilton's Manuals the hp ratings took a big dump in '71. the power output wasn't really that big of a loss, just measured in a different way. But it did steadily decline as emmisions took their toll on '60's technology.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:33 am

The scary part is the SS looks so close to the New World Engine that the 08 SRT is using......less the engine cover...

aperson · Post by **aperson** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:15 pm

Too much going on in the cobalt engine bay to me. And the SRT pic looks like it's air cooled with all the covers.

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:25 pm

Sorry, but I like the cobalt, always have, always will.. two door, fwd, now 260hp TC?

I like the looks as well, but not in yellow, thanks - black.

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:30 pm

There's a rad cap right there next to the boost pipe.

Isn't there a lot going on in the SRT engine bay too?

I do like the new Cobalt SS. Good power and 2 door, for people that want a sporty 2 door.

rOniN · Post by **rOniN** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:24 pm

^^sporty two door would be a challenger

I'm hopeing to get my hands on one when they make the 6 speed.

Cobalts could be good with the turbo. I'm not a fan but that's ok...

grambo · Post by **grambo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:05 pm

My God, what a concept that GM has come up with...wow...like five years after Chrysler did it. Wow..impressive...Oh wait, didn't Chrysler's design chiefe go over to Chevy a few years back? Hmm...neat how they redo everything he did at Chrysler....psshsshshsh...lame...

No thanks. Why can't Chevy actually come up with something on their own instead of making clones of every other car company's ideas...

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:21 pm

You can complain all you want, but DC has pretty much stopped producing performance trims for sport compacts. Hell, they pretty much stopped producing sport compacts. There is nothing in their lineup now to compete with cars like the Cobalt or the Civic or the Mazda 3 or the Focus. The Avenger is a bit bigger, and the Caliber is... well, it's the Caliber

Anyways DC uses "performance" more as a bling factor for guys who want to say they have an "SRT" or "R/T"... the emphasis isn't truely on performance anymore, the performance just comes as a byproduct.

So what if Chevy did this... where you criticize, I say "better late than never".

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:21 pm

Hey, maybe now they will put a cummins in their trucks.

I know I would be buying a Chevy Diesel thats for sure. Employee discount FTW

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:34 pm

kc2002acr wrote:Sorry, but I like the cobalt, always have, always will.. two door, fwd, now 260hp TC? I like the looks as well, but not in yellow, thanks - black.

only reason i don't own a cobalt right now is because i couldn't afford it around the time i bought my neon.

Fully loaded, black on black = sex. pure sex.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:12 pm

BlackRoseRacing wrote:

The scary part is the SS looks so close to the New World Engine that the 08 SRT is using......less the engine cover...

Just re-read this... why did you say that? The manifolds are completely reversed from each other, because Chrysler loves to stuff their turbos in the rear, and everyone else makes the tuner's job easier by putting them in the front

grambo · Post by **grambo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:49 pm

Arro wrote:You can complain all you want, but DC has pretty much stopped producing performance trims for sport compacts. Hell, they pretty much stopped producing sport compacts. There is nothing in their lineup now to compete with cars like the Cobalt or the Civic or the Mazda 3 or the Focus. The Avenger is a bit bigger, and the Caliber is... well, it's the Caliber

Anyways DC uses "performance" more as a bling factor for guys who want to say they have an "SRT" or "R/T"... the emphasis isn't truely on performance anymore, the performance just comes as a byproduct.

So what if Chevy did this... where you criticize, I say "better late than never".

Your right about the performance trims. They were mostly a joke, save the 04'+ SRT-4 and the 80's Shelby badged units.
I say, instead of spending all that effort polishing a turd, why not build a true performance machine from the ground up? They have the capability, they have the designers, and they have the $$$.
Why make 19 cars for five companies on the same platform? Just make one, super-badas* sport-compact car and be done with it? I mean, these guys build the C6....they can innovate when they need to. Shoot, put the damn thing on the Zeta platform and put the effort into it they did with the Sky and Solstice and then watch what they could do...

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:18 pm

Because performance "trim" gives buyers a package they can apply to an affordable vehicle, while yielding reasonably good performance improvements. The key here is price. That was the point behind all the turbo Chryslers of the 80's (both Shelbys and regular Chrysler-badged turbocharged cars), and it remains true today.

That's why you get a four door Integra sold alongside of a GS-R or Type-R. That's why you get a 2Gn sold alongside of an SRT-4 (or DID, thanks a bunch DC for forsaking us at present), that's why you get Focus in a wagon as well as a hatch and a coupe.

From the ground up would mean a cost passed along to the consumer that few would be willing (or able) to spend on.

Performance trims for existing affordable car platforms not only makes more sense in terms of car sales, it helps flood the aftermarket industry with owners of these vehicles, who bought these affordable alternatives and have the spare cash to spend on aftermarket parts. This means the aftermarket industry is more likely to develop options for these cars. Even some extreme options.

It just makes sense for everyone. It's the sport compact car market (especially the performance trim packages) that have allowed the middle-class guy (and even sometimes the poor dude) to enjoy the excitement, and even sometimes produce rides that rival the performance of more purpose-built sportscars.

OB · Post by OB » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:32 pm

My buddy (he lurks here sometimes) wants to trade is SSS for the new turbo one (SST?). That thing sounds like its gonna be quick as hell. Should be a contender for sure.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:06 pm

lol tell your buddy that's like a 2gn SE guy wanting to trade car-for-car for an SRT. Gotta pay to play

Yeah the SSS was something to respect. The new one is gonna rock.

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:06 am

SS/SC

SS/TC

SST stands for Super Stock Turbo in the SRT world.

danman132x · Post by **danman132x** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:18 pm

This one is going on my list of cars I want

Whatever my next car may be in a few years, it MUST be turbocharged.

ZeroChad · Post by **ZeroChad** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:59 pm

^^ Same here man. Planning on buying a new/slightly used car after I graduate.

Well either that or ther v-16 quad turbo AWD Limosine that my buddies and I dreamed up.