So, what all do I need?

[Jamie]

I have an LC-1 and it is great. Innovate actually makes a MS software plugin for their wideband controller. and you can clone one of the outputs from the lamda cable to work with a 30dollar autozone afr guage and read correctly. I recommend it.

some other things you will need if you are planning on MS2. you can go with the v3.0 board or the 3.57 board. there are a few differences with the 3.57 board but basically its built with those little micro components. HOWEVER, it can still be modified quite easily to work for the neon.

you will need the VB921 or the alternative to the VB's they talked about on the org. also i believe its 2 330ohm resisters for the vb's (one for each VB921). these are for your ignition outputs. also get a jumper wire kit and some fine solder from radio shack or something because you will have to build your Tac input.

you can follow the instructions for MS1e for how to build the tac input. it is the same for ms2. The build for the vb921's are also the same from ms1e also.

I hear Alot of people have issues from the vb's in the ms1's. the other guys can verify or disprove this (overheating i think from too much dwell??) anyway myself and Una from the big org are running with dwell like 1.7 and the vb's stay nice and cool. Just something to consider. I dont think ill have problems with them because they do stay so cool.

MS2 is still in beta testing. beta 17 is the latest one out. The betas are pretty good and getting alot better ( thanks James and Ken). But it still is a beta and if there is an error in the code or something, then it could very well leave you stranded. also the MS2e documentation is still being put together and is pretty vague right now.

so If your looking for a more plug and play one then i think if i were you I would go with one of the 420a prebuilt ones from... rs? it comes already built with tac input as well as the vb's.

not tryin to talk you out of ms2e!! just helping you be more informed in your decision! even a bad MS day is still waaaay better then a stock ecu day!

Good luck tuning
J

[turbodudey]

I hear Alot of people have issues from the vb's in the ms1's. the other guys can verify or disprove this (overheating i think from too much dwell??) anyway myself and Una from the big org are running with dwell like 1.7 and the vb's stay nice and cool. Just something to consider. I dont think ill have problems with them because they do stay so cool.

The main thing to remember is that the MS1 and MS2 codes calculate dwell differently. MS2 doesn't require nearly as much dwell. I run 5.0ms on my MS1 and it stays cold. For a N/A car you probably won't need the Fairchild high current ignition drivers either.

[TN.Frank]

Man, this thread has gotten complicated. All I wanted was a list of parts that I'd need to convert over to the MS II or even the MicorSqurit if it'd do a decent job at running injectors and timing. That's all I want to do, run the fuel injectors and be able to adjust the timing. Something I could do with a couple wrenches a screwdriver and a hand full of jets on a carb/distributor non-computer car.
I'm all most at the point where I'm going to cut my losses, sell the car and get a '72 VW Bug to play with. Anyone want to buy an '05 SXT for $10,000 shoot me a PM.

[quicksilvr]

Man, this thread has gotten complicated. All I wanted was a list of parts that I'd need to convert over to the MS II or even the MicorSqurit if it'd do a decent job at running injectors and timing. That's all I want to do, run the fuel injectors and be able to adjust the timing. Something I could do with a couple wrenches a screwdriver and a hand full of jets on a carb/distributor non-computer car.
I'm all most at the point where I'm going to cut my losses, sell the car and get a '72 VW Bug to play with. Anyone want to buy an '05 SXT for $10,000 shoot me a PM.

Here's the deal with MS that you really need to think about. Yes, you can buy a prebuilt unit, follow some instructions to install it, play around with the computer for a bit and be able to adjust the fuel and the timing....and the whole time, not really know enough about the nitty gritty to actually fix anything if it doesn't work right. And you probably only have like a 5% chance of everything always working...especially if you want spark control, and not just fuel.

Bottom line: if you wanna do MS right, there's alot to learn, and it's NOT as simple as some screwdrivers, jets, and a timing gun. I'm not trying to tell you not to do it, but it sounds like you want something a little less complicated.

[TN.Frank]

Yep, an air cooled flat 4 with duel Webers and a distributor, that's what I want. Check out my add in "Cars 4 Sale" section. Someone shoot me a decent offer then they can worry about computer mods and the NGC system.

[Jamie]

sorry, was gone for the weekend playing army...

if you dont want to worry about building the circuits and what not then get that prebuilt 420a one from RS then all you gotta do is wire it into your car. the VB's are already installed, the tac inpit is already built and its about as plug and play as any other EMS. thats what I was saying. there is nothing wrong at all with MS1. MS2 is just new technology that is still being developed.

what Im saying is look into the 420a box from rs thats even flashed with a basic map i believe (think i read it somewhere in the print) then all you have to do is wire it, hook up your laptop, learn how to use the Megatune Interface, and tune away.

i promise you and everyone else, MS is not this big scary monstar that eats everyone and everything insight. hell as a matter of fact i think its only like 6 wires to wire in. and 3 of them you can do an inline splice...

if not then good luck with your next project!
J

[CASPERAMC]

i promise you and everyone else, MS is not this big scary monstar that eats everyone and everything insight.

yes it is