Rain/CAI (Today's a perfect example)

HairyRodent · Post by **HairyRodent** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:29 am

I'd like to ask if there's anyone out there running a CAI in this rain in the east. It's raining cats and dogs (ie. windshield wipers on full speed and still having to keep it slow).

If so, are you at all worried about water ingestion?

That's really the only apprehension I have with installing one of my own. I don't foresee myself running through 5-12" puddles, but when it storms like this, I'd still like to be comfortable taking the car out.

In other words, tell me to chill out and install the damn thing.

-Rodent

johnxneon99 · Post by **johnxneon99** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:33 am

well im not sure about 2nd gens,but on my 1st gen it sits right under the battery,I went through a puddle(a bit fast 10 mph) and nothing,but I was running from the cops(NFTA haha)

got away though hehe, and it didnt do anything.If the 2nd gens are the same perhaps you should install a water filter(not sure of the name) on there.Its not as easy to hydrolock an engine as it sounds but possible.Worst to worst just install a small metal plate under it,given its in the same location as the 1st gen.

Bottom line if you dont go threw huge puddles that splash up your okay, but don't hold me responsible if your car breaks

HairyRodent · Post by **HairyRodent** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:02 am

Yeah I'm certainly going to hold nobody but myself responsible, and considering my noob status, I'm relatively ignorant to 1st gens... and 2G's

The CAI goes through the stock intake opening into the wheel well area, the battery is located higher up next to the fuse box, so unless there's a better option, which would indicate I haven't done enough homework, we're talking about two different beasts.

Post by **jonnymopar** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:27 am

I don't know how east you are, but I'm 30 minutes from the Atlantic Ocean and less than 1 hour south of Boston, MA. My car has an Iceman intake, K&N filter, and a 60mm throttle body. I've driven through some pretty good rain, including flooded back roads, and no issues. The only thing I can say is that when you tighten the clamps to the CAI, just make sure that you've angled your filter as far up into the fender as you can. If you want to double-check that, naturally, it's as easy as 5 minutes with a screwdriver. Just don't go scuba diving with the car and you'll be fine.

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:27 am

you really shouldn't have a problem... I have been through my fair share of rain and NEVER had a problem.

The intakes don't sit that low unless you have a really shitty brand. I had an IceMan in my 01 MotorSport and it sat just a bit lower than the headlight, so it was still a good foot or so above the ground.

johnxneon99 · Post by **johnxneon99** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:29 am

hmm a bit confused but is it a homemade cai?(if u have ur stock intake on there its just a stock airbox)cause i just went to the JY and picked up a tube off a van,its flexible so you can bend it in any shape you want.

http://forum.1gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=278

thats for the first gen,u can see wheres its located,but thats a different tube then what i have and that filter is a bit lower to the ground then mine.

Post by **Diablo0** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:58 am

Yeah, you won't have any problems as long as like someone said, you dont' go scubadiving with your car and drive through huge muddles.

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:00 am

I'm in the Rainy state of Washington and have not trouble with heavy rain. The biggest thing is to not submerge the intake (aka, watch out for large puddles, don't cross flooded areas, yada yada yada...)

HairyRodent · Post by **HairyRodent** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:17 am

I'm in east TN 10 minutes from UT.

I drive down I-40 for about 8 minutes every day to and from work which is where I'd be most worried about ingestion.

Sorry for revisiting this dead horse, but I just needed a little more convincing.

I'll probably be throwing one on soon.

Thanks a lot, everyone.

-Rodent

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:31 am

if you are interested... click the link in my sig. I have 4 brand new IceMan intakes left.

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:34 am

Pretty much, the air filters are designed to prevent water spray from entering into the engine. This is done by both the filtration material plus an oily additive. You also have air flow directing a lot of the water elsewhere. And remember that its got to get through the front bumper, so there are other things that get in the way before spray actually gets to the filter. So your covered pretty well with that.

Where the filter fails is when pools of water comes over the bumper. The only way this can really happen is if you go through a deep puddle, water over roadways or its flooding. I've been through some pretty hard rain this year with my filter about 6" off the ground and haven't had any problems.

Yes, there are a few people who have had horror stories with CAI, but if the product was that bad they wouldn't still be selling.

hound9164 · Post by **hound9164** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:55 am

I bought and installed the bypass, and a few times i have needed it out here, but i guess its cause i am in chicago and the rain/slush out her is BRUTAL.

But aside from the weather out here, just stay away from hitting the flooded roads and you'll be fine.

HairyRodent · Post by **HairyRodent** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:00 am

hansken_yo wrote: Yes, there are a few people who have had horror stories with CAI, but if the product was that bad they wouldn't still be selling.

My thoughts exactly.

-Rodent

w0158981 · Post by **w0158981** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:14 pm

i recomend the k&N dry charger sock i believe it works and weather or not iit really does who knows but it dam well helps me feel a little better.

TN.Frank · Post by **TN.Frank** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:31 pm

That's why I went with a K&N drop in and rigged up a Ram Air deal to bring cold air up to the stock box. Looking at it you'd think I'd suck up all kinds of water but on a recent trip from Crossville to Nashville it was raining cats and dogs, driving behind big trucks threw up all kinds of water and I thought for sure the filter would be wet when I got home, guess what, it was dry as a bone. Don't know if I could have said the same about those CAIs that put the filter in the fender.

HairyRodent · Post by **HairyRodent** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:42 pm

TN.Frank wrote:That's why I went with a K&N drop in and rigged up a Ram Air deal to bring cold air up to the stock box. Looking at it you'd think I'd suck up all kinds of water but on a recent trip from Crossville to Nashville it was raining cats and dogs, driving behind big trucks threw up all kinds of water and I thought for sure the filter would be wet when I got home, guess what, it was dry as a bone. Don't know if I could have said the same about those CAIs that put the filter in the fender.

now there's an idea. How do you think that performs in relation to the normal CAI?

half_twisted · Post by **half_twisted** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:52 pm

just get a short ram intake in tthe mean time and save the cai for the summer.

TN.Frank · Post by **TN.Frank** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:07 pm

HairyRodent wrote:
TN.Frank wrote:That's why I went with a K&N drop in and rigged up a Ram Air deal to bring cold air up to the stock box. .
now there's an idea. How do you think that performs in relation to the normal CAI?

Well, it's a K&N so it probably flows as well as any other gauze element filter and the air is being rammed into the stock box from outside, can't get much colder then that so I'd think it'd be equal if not a touch better then the generic CAIs on the market.
I would like to do a bit more modding in the way of putting the TB directly on the manifold with a short tube then run a longer tube into the stock box for the air cleaner to hook to. That way I'd get even more of a ram effect from the tube from the box to the TB, kind of like a Velociety stack of sorts. I really need to look at it when I get to feeling better. I've had broncitus for the last week and a half and just can't shake it even with all the meds and stuff.
LOL, here I'm thinking about making my car breath better and I can't hardly breath, LOL.

InfinityAudio · Post by **InfinityAudio** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:06 pm

I'm using it even in snow...and I don't have problem

HairyRodent · Post by **HairyRodent** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:32 pm

Yeah I'm not so sure I'd be as worried if I were in the snow.

Again, thanks for all the input.

HairyRodent · Post by **HairyRodent** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:19 pm

Offtopic in my own thread. Sorry.

2k1MotorSport wrote:if you are interested... click the link in my sig. I have 4 brand new IceMan intakes left.

I'm not ignoring you, I'm just trying to consider some options before jumping into something. I've read I have to modify the iceman since I'm in an ATX, also, after reading all of this, I think that finding a dohc exhaust should be my first step.

If you can convince me otherwise, or someone sells me one real quick, I am more than willing to part with today's paycheck.

Irresponsibility sure can be intoxicating.

onewickedkid05 · Post by **onewickedkid05** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:30 pm

My cold air intake filter sits right in line with my driver side fender light. Ive gone through some huge puddles and been in hardcore rain and nothing has happened U kinda have to sit in the puddle lol ull be fine

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:39 pm

get a K&N water sock and maybe a splash shield and stay awy from SUPER deep water and all will be well. now the next question that you will ask us all is "which CAI should i get?" for that just click the little searsh button and type in "CAI" and you will find info to help you make your decision

evilneon02 · Post by **evilneon02** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:53 am

im running a cai and it sits right at the bottom of my fender. i mean i can almost see the end of the filter and my neon is lowered and i have no problems but then again we dont get flooded roads on my side of town. all i get really is the mist off other cars and then just the bottom conor thats almost stickin out gets wet a little.

Post by **Canada** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:38 am

HairyRodent wrote:I'm not ignoring you, I'm just trying to consider some options before jumping into something. I've read I have to modify the iceman since I'm in an ATX, also, after reading all of this, I think that finding a dohc exhaust should be my first step.

If you can convince me otherwise, or someone sells me one real quick, I am more than willing to part with today's paycheck.

Irresponsibility sure can be intoxicating.

That FAQ is intended for a 1st gen Neon, not a 2GN. There is no DOHC exhaust system for our cars, as we didn't have a DOHC motor. As well, with the 2GN, modifying for an ATX is pretty simple to do.

HairyRodent · Post by **HairyRodent** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:04 am

Canada wrote:
HairyRodent wrote:I'm not ignoring you, I'm just trying to consider some options before jumping into something. I've read I have to modify the iceman since I'm in an ATX, also, after reading all of this, I think that finding a dohc exhaust should be my first step.

If you can convince me otherwise, or someone sells me one real quick, I am more than willing to part with today's paycheck.

Irresponsibility sure can be intoxicating.
That FAQ is intended for a 1st gen Neon, not a 2GN. There is no DOHC exhaust system for our cars, as we didn't have a DOHC motor. As well, with the 2GN, modifying for an ATX is pretty simple to do.

lulz,

I was wondering why it was talking about requiring moving the battery, but w/e.

Well my lexicon is in its infancy, as well as my general knowledge of the subject, so whatever the exhaust tip is called. That's what I was talking about.

As for the 1st gen page... By god I clicked on the appropriate links (I thought).

1) http://faq.neons.org/
2) "2nd Generation FAQ"
3) "2.9 .2 What is a basic plan for increasing SOHC performance?"

I clicked on the .2 next to the 2.9... Poor web design FTL!

Where can I find 2gn.org's version of the "general sohc improvement checklist?"