I think i may need a new starter.

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:49 am

I have noticed when the temp drops below 25 when i start my car It make a noise that would be comparable to the sound that would be made if the car is already on and you crank the key again.

The car does start on the first crank. I don't have to crank it a few times to get it started.

I'm thinking it's the starter. I figured i would ask since i don't want to go buy something that I don't need. And if it is the starter... would i be able to grab one off of any 2gn?

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:56 am

Either your starter isn't engaging into the gear on the flex plate completely, or the gear on the flex plate is bad. If you don't get the starter fixed, the FP gear will become bad, if it isn't the problem. Due to the starter pinion gear grinding the ring gear on the plate.

latief · Post by **latief** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:20 am

I just changed my starter a while back, i was having weird starting problems (on and off) and it cured the problem. i picked one from the junkyard off a 2005, worked like a charm on my 2000 ($30 cost)

00-05 same starter except for SRT (will not fit).....

Are you sure it is not your battery by the way ?

good luck....

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:26 am

latief wrote:Are you sure it is not your battery by the way ?

I don't think so... because the car starts fine except for that noise. I will have to check the junkyard. I don't think there is anything really new there. A lot of 00-02. I may also replace the battery soon though.

latief · Post by **latief** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:32 am

Be careful when you change it (if you change it), you are going to hate that part called " Intake Manifold Support Bracket "..... really pain in the ass to remove .... i would advise you to remove the intake manifold while changing it, will make your life a lot easier .!!!!!

good luck ......

half_twisted · Post by **half_twisted** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:36 pm

does the power cut out while trying to start the car? if it does then its a loose bat clamp. if not then is would be the starter.

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:38 pm

half_twisted wrote:does the power cut out while trying to start the car?

No sir... car starts fine. It just make that noise.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:42 pm

Could be your aging starter is not liking the cold. Maybe it is being nice to give you a warning that it is thinking about giving up all together. Can't give you very solid help though, sorry

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:45 pm

yeah i know, I will have to think about getting one very soon.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:57 am

^^^
You better, before it destroy's your flywheel.....
Also note, the Magnum engine uses a different starter than the non-mag motor....
And +2 on the support bracket, its a pain and I never reinstalled mine, Once the bracket is removed and the starter bolts removed,TB removed, I was able to fish the starter out from up above and through the intake runners, where on a non mag motor, the starter has to be dropped down and removed underneath....

latief · Post by **latief** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:39 am

Oh, i forgot he has a magnum, but BRR why would the starter be different ? doesn't the magnum engine use the same tranny as non magnum?

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:12 am

BRR is correct (of course!)...

ECB (2.0 SOHC) #4793493 MSRP $254.00
ECH (2.0 H.O.) #5033133AC...MSRP $252.00

As far as why...not sure. Prob has something to do with the starter housing. May have a different cast to allow the additional bracket prob. Catalog doesn't show the difference.

*Edit* Looking at the FSM, it appears that the difference is in the connections...still hard to tell though

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:01 am

Different starter mainly because of the clearance issues with the magnum manifold. The non-mag motor starter wont clear the mag manifold and manifold support bracket...

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:18 am

Ah, there you go! Thanks again BRR

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:15 pm

damn... now i have to spend more money.

Would this be the correct one.. since it does say R/T but only from an 03 (LINK)

It's kinda hard to tell from this link, they all look the same. (LINK)

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:21 pm

Well, at least the H.O. starter is 2 bucks less than the std. one

Doubt the autoparts store will have the H.O. one though....

latief · Post by **latief** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:21 pm

BlackRoseRacing wrote:Different starter mainly because of the clearance issues with the magnum manifold. The non-mag motor starter wont clear the mag manifold and manifold support bracket...

So if i decide to install a magnum intake manifold on my car, would i have to change the starter too? Man this will suck big time

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:24 pm

Danteneon wrote:Well, at least the H.O. starter is 2 bucks less than the std. one

Doubt the autoparts store will have the H.O. one though....

That's why you buy from www.OEMDodgeParts.com I got parts that should be here on Wednesday that i ordered from them. Guess i have to place another order

latief · Post by **latief** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:34 pm

Autozone and rockauto(great people by the way) have them in stock for the HO ............ .re-manufactured of course....

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:39 pm

latief wrote:Autozone and rockauto(great people by the way) have them in stock for the HO ............ .re-manufactured of course....

Welll oemdodgeparts has it for $173.65 + shipping (which should come out to about $195 shipped) for an OEM replacement.

bone-yard-racing · Post by **bone-yard-racing** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:26 pm

Auto parts places list them with the same PN (mag&non mag)

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:42 pm

bone-yard-racing wrote:Auto parts places list them with the same PN (mag&non mag)

Thats why sometimes you are actually better off at the dealer....
Also if you pick up a reman from aftermarket store's, FYI have them test it on there test bench before you leave the store. I actually had a store try to sell me 2 deffective starters. They thought there test bench was bad because there's no way 2 reman starters could be bad....yeah right...

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:00 pm

bring back from the dead...

Would ANY 2gn R/T starter work? i should be able to get one from an 03 R/T that had only 8700 miles on it.

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:11 pm

Not sure what the difference is but oem list them differently and the cost is much less for the 03-05 starter, also they don't show a different one for the R/T. The manifolds are the same from the pics I've seen, so I'm not sure why the starter is the same for all. Price for a new one '03-up: $77.35 msrp so if it is determined it will work I hope the used one is alot cheaper than that. The NGC engines use a different crank sensor, so that could be part of the issue (?)
If they are interchangable it would be a sweet discount for us early 2gn ppl.

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:20 pm

You don't need the mag starter. I have the plain old SOHC starter and a mag manifold and it fits just fine.

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:53 pm

BlackRoseRacing wrote:Different starter mainly because of the clearance issues with the magnum manifold. The non-mag motor starter wont clear the mag manifold and manifold support bracket...

This is the only reason i'm still asking this question..

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:05 pm

I guess if you have an R/T with that bracket, the bracket may be the issue (although I doubt it given where the bracket is)

Definately clears the manifold though:

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:32 pm

Will this part number for a starter work for my application? ( 05033556AC ) don't know what the difference is between 01 starters being $150+ and this starter being around $75 shipped from oemdodgeparts.com

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:00 pm

looking for an answer to the above question.. ^^

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:12 pm

Here are some ebay links, if you trust ebay.... I don't see much difference.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-03- ... enameZWD1V

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/00-02-DO ... enameZWD1V

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-04-05 ... enameZWD1V

Hope this helps you.