Strange but.... Lifting my car?

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:08 pm

Alrighty, I am lookin into some bigger tires... and I think i might wanna lift my car somwhere between 1.5 inch to 3 inchs... but the thing is... how the heck am i ganan be able to do it? lol

asanti · Post by **asanti** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:21 pm

Air ride?

Later
Allex

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:30 pm

how much do those cost?

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:57 pm

A lot.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:19 pm

WHY IN THE HELL would you want to lift your car just for wheels? You can go with 18's without having to change the suspension, how big are you going to go???

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:20 pm

maybe coilovers... or a custom bracket that spaces out the knuckle and strut

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:47 pm

hmm ok.... well honostly the reason i want to lift it is becasue everyone else lowers theres... it will stand out more..

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:50 pm

OK. I can appreciate the desire to stand out... but lifting it will make it handle worse (higher center of gravity) and with a bigger tire, you may not be able to turn the wheels all the way either...

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:55 pm

mhmm.. waht would be the maxium tire size i would beable to get?

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:57 pm

and there's not a wheel bearing out there for a neon that can handle BIG tires

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:03 pm

I know you can go with 18's with maybe a 30 series, depending on what you're doing.

What size wheel are you looking to go with?

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:05 pm

truck wheels? 38's?

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:17 pm

not quite sure yet, i still have to look into tires and rims i want, i just am thinking generally right now, i was thinking really, erally differnt... like... haha... dirt tires...

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:39 pm

Do you have an ATX or MTX? Either way your power will suffer with taller tires. If you went 3" it could be done by spacing the K member and lowering the strut tower tops in the front. the rear would take alot more work, maybe welding another center mounting point from another car, or a new replacement to the one thats there, to keep the suspension geometry and lowering the strut tops in the rear also. You could then use the OEM struts/springs the biggest problem is the halfshafts may also have wear issues, as the angles would be extreme, mainly for the short drivers side. If there was an easy way to lower the engine tranny then it would work. But if you find someone that will do all the other work, then it shouldn't be a problem. It would be interesting for sure. If you can get the proper transfer gears or differential ratio in the tranny then the added tire size would be negated a bit. This isn't the cheapest example but it would be the safest and most functional. There wouldn't be any suspension travel loss and alignment issues avioded as all the geometry is retained. I feel like I'm posting on a 4 wheeler site !
Edit: It would be an awsome offroad rally car, but the rules prolly wouldn't have it!

Rules!

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:42 pm

occasional demons wrote:Do you have an ATX or MTX? Either way your power will suffer with taller tires. If you went 3" it could be done by spacing the K member and lowering the strut tower tops in the front. the rear would take alot more work, maybe welding another center mounting point from another car, or a new replacement to the one thats there, to keep the suspension geometry and lowering the strut tops in the rear also. You could then use the OEM struts/springs the biggest problem is the halfshafts may also have wear issues, as the angles would be extreme, mainly for the short drivers side. If there was an easy way to lower the engine tranny then it would work. But if you find someone that will do all the other work, then it shouldn't be a problem. It would be interesting for sure. If you can get the proper transfer gears or differential ratio in the tranny then the added tire size would be negated a bit. This isn't the cheapest example but it would be the safest and most functional. There wouldn't be any suspension travel loss and alignment issues avioded as all the geometry is retained. I feel like I'm posting on a 4 wheeler site !

but the pearch will still be in the way if he just moves the struts. if he spaces out the knuckle and strut, that gives room for a larger tire, like a SUPER SWAMPER

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:50 pm

The better thing would be to use the P or L body type knuckles for better bearings, too. Heck while he's at it modify to use the P body lower control arms as they are not stamped steel. Screw it just use the whole subframe/steering rack. And put a V6 in there

OK, I think he's broke now!

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:03 pm

lol... well, if it's gonna look like a true 4x4 might as well go the V6 route

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:06 pm

lol, yeah... broke enough... ehh my grandparents are selling their range rover... mabey i can mooch some cash off of them

im feelin a basherbar and a ricer spolier too then i guesss
haha

Wenuden · Post by **Wenuden** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:13 pm

krackstar has dubs on air struts. Looks good, but expensive I'm sure.

ragek23 · Post by **ragek23** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:02 am

well i am not sure if this was mentioned but awhile ago someone posted a pic of a neon body on a Tacoma sub frame. In short it was a jacked up neon

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:35 am

The caravans run taller tires, there is the option of running those struts with different springs, as the spring perches are higher up. Just thinking of ways to keep the cost down... I doubt the caravan springs would have any give holding up a neon. I know using P body springs on an L body was like having solid bars holding the car up and those are pretty close in size. They only stayed on the Omni till I got back from the test drive... Yeah, I'll try anything once

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:54 pm

occasional demons wrote:The caravans run taller tires, there is the option of running those struts with different springs, as the spring perches are higher up. Just thinking of ways to keep the cost down... I doubt the caravan springs would have any give holding up a neon. I know using P body springs on an L body was like having solid bars holding the car up and those are pretty close in size. They only stayed on the Omni till I got back from the test drive... Yeah, I'll try anything once

so it would be a bumpyer, easier to flip ride? is that what im understanding?

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:02 pm

So let me get this straight....

you want a big-wheel 2G Neon?

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:23 pm

Jack up car, wedge some scrap 2x4's between the coils of the springs, lower car. Instant 4x4... or maybe "2x4"?

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:27 pm

03blackrt wrote:Jack up car, wedge some scrap 2x4's between the coils of the springs, lower car. Instant 4x4... or maybe "2x4"?

my freind knows jack crap about cars and shes standing behind me going "tehe"

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:56 pm

IGotYourDoughnut wrote:
occasional demons wrote:The caravans run taller tires, there is the option of running those struts with different springs, as the spring perches are higher up. Just thinking of ways to keep the cost down... I doubt the caravan springs would have any give holding up a neon. I know using P body springs on an L body was like having solid bars holding the car up and those are pretty close in size. They only stayed on the Omni till I got back from the test drive... Yeah, I'll try anything once

so it would be a bumpyer, easier to flip ride? is that what im understanding?

If you kept the caravan springs definitly bumpier... as in you could tell if that dime you ran over was heads or tails! 3" higher than stock on anything is easier to flip. Your handling would be alot worse for sure. You would have to treat it just like any other lifted vehicle. For off road rally (as in blowin' across streams) it would be awsome, for spirited street driving a nightmare. But you could bust through a foot of snow with ease!

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:30 pm

now you see, thats what im talking about right there... tearing up lil bitches lawns in meh neighborhood

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:48 pm

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:55 pm

stock srt struts + stock non-srt springs = ~1/2" > ~1" lift

IGotYourDoughnut · Post by **IGotYourDoughnut** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:59 pm

really?... thats not too hard at all