Motor building

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:50 am

Some pictures were taken while I was finishing up putting the top end of the motor together. Next session is for all the accessories and belts, but the stuff that counts is now together. Forged motor FTW!

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:58 am

nice, looks good. good luck with the rest of the build. i look forward to seeing some results.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:29 pm

Nice. I had to laugh thou cause in the last picture is looks like you have the upper engine stand bolt going through a sensor. Everyone knows that is the best place to bolt it

Keep us posted man!

Kevin_GP · Post by **Kevin_GP** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:31 pm

Ha, my block is going through the same treatment right now, unfortunately I am not doing the work and its costing me an arm and a leg

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:44 pm

Does this cylinder head have an "R/T" stamped on the side of it ??

Now is the time .....

-Nick

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:32 pm

CGI block?

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:24 pm

Computer generated? No, not really.

blackboi50 · Post by **blackboi50** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:26 pm

bad facking a$$!!!!!!......1

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:11 pm

Looks like Thursday is the day I'm gonna put it all together and ready to drop in. I was so tempted to write N E O N on the pistons with a sharpie and take a picture before putting the head on, but oh well. Guess it will have to wait until next time I build a neon motor.

Kevin_GP · Post by **Kevin_GP** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:18 pm

Specs on internals?

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:50 pm

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:17 pm

Kevin_GP wrote:Specs on internals?

8.8:1 (on a DOHC, like 9.25 on the SOHC) forged pistons, coated skirts, oil ported. Standard eagle rods. ARP stuff.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:25 pm

11's.

Kevin_GP · Post by **Kevin_GP** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:29 pm

esteinmaier wrote:
Kevin_GP wrote:Specs on internals?
8.8:1 (on a DOHC, like 9.25 on the SOHC) forged pistons, coated skirts, oil ported. Standard eagle rods. ARP stuff.

Sweet, I thought eagle rods get bendy at high hp, do you still have those big goals or is that why you are implying that this isn't the only rebuild?

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:36 pm

I haven't ever heard of a failure that's not related to nitrous, bad tuning, or bad engine assembly. I don't plan on ever experiencing any of those.
Eagle rates them to 900. I doubt I'll ever see that much. Probably just a hair over 700.

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:05 pm

esteinmaier wrote:I haven't ever heard of a failure that's not related to nitrous, bad tuning, or bad engine assembly. I don't plan on ever experiencing any of those.

Amen.

esteinmaier wrote:Eagle rates them to 900. I doubt I'll ever see that much. Probably just a hair over 700.

Only 700 ??

-Nick

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:17 pm

NickKo wrote:
esteinmaier wrote:I haven't ever heard of a failure that's not related to nitrous, bad tuning, or bad engine assembly. I don't plan on ever experiencing any of those.
Amen.

esteinmaier wrote:Eagle rates them to 900. I doubt I'll ever see that much. Probably just a hair over 700.
Only 700 ??

-Nick

I know.... I should just go ahead and shoot for 4 figures, right? Nah. It's amazing how expensive parts are that can hang at that level.
You get too crazy, and then you have to machine your own block, and a solid block like that can't dissipate heat like one full of coolant passages, so it's only good for 1/4 mile at a time, and then you're stuck with methanol only, as any other fuel would detonate, which then creates all kinds of other fuel system engineering concerns, and then you have to figure out how to keep cylinder pressures that are that high from blowing the head gasket out, and having a turbo big enough to make that kind of power doesn't spool until near stock redline, so you have to rev it thousands higher to be able to use the power to create enough exhaust volume to spin it up, which means all the difficulties of building a head that won't blow itself up over 10k RPM. Then there's drivetrain. Nothing stock will hold together WOT shifting at 1400ft/lb. OK, /rant. 700 is enough for a car that can't put the traction down on the street anyway.

blackboi50 · Post by **blackboi50** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:15 am

esteinmaier wrote:
NickKo wrote:
esteinmaier wrote:I haven't ever heard of a failure that's not related to nitrous, bad tuning, or bad engine assembly. I don't plan on ever experiencing any of those.
Amen.

esteinmaier wrote:Eagle rates them to 900. I doubt I'll ever see that much. Probably just a hair over 700.
Only 700 ??

-Nick
I know.... I should just go ahead and shoot for 4 figures, right? Nah. It's amazing how expensive parts are that can hang at that level.
You get too crazy, and then you have to machine your own block, and a solid block like that can't dissipate heat like one full of coolant passages, so it's only good for 1/4 mile at a time, and then you're stuck with methanol only, as any other fuel would detonate, which then creates all kinds of other fuel system engineering concerns, and then you have to figure out how to keep cylinder pressures that are that high from blowing the head gasket out, and having a turbo big enough to make that kind of power doesn't spool until near stock redline, so you have to rev it thousands higher to be able to use the power to create enough exhaust volume to spin it up, which means all the difficulties of building a head that won't blow itself up over 10k RPM. Then there's drivetrain. Nothing stock will hold together WOT shifting at 1400ft/lb. OK, /rant. 700 is enough for a car that can't put the traction down on the street anyway.

so whats your goal time to run in the quarter?????.....11.xx......u talking high 11s or low 11s????.....1

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:35 pm

Very low 11s with this turbo. Faster times will come later.

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:59 pm

MyNeonSaysHi wrote:CGI block?

Compacted Graphite Iron

Coles notes:

http://www.atlasfdry.com/graphite-iron.htm

Were sohc blocks ever cast with CGI?

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:13 pm

esteinmaier wrote: 700 is enough for a car that can't put the traction down on the street anyway.

EXACTLY.

After a point, too much horsepower (whether it be 500, 700, 1100, or 1500, etc.) becomes USELESS anyway (assuming that the engine is strong enough, and that you don't break any DRIVETRAIN parts.)

-Nick

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:26 pm

You mean blow a 4th transmission, 3rd clutch or 6th driver's side axle?

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:33 pm

I'm looking for a list of your mods but I can't find anything

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:28 am

Adionik wrote:I'm looking for a list of your mods but I can't find anything

^^^ done purposely

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:09 am

Nah, I don't really care. It just changes so often I don't want to keep it updated. Here's a small one for now:

16g
log manifold
3" DP
Cat removed
No muffler
2.25" boost piping
Mag cam
wiseco pistons
eagle rods
MS
1680cc injectors
earlier fuel rail
aeromotive 1:1 regulator
walbro 255lph pump
autometer oil pressure, fuel pressure, boost pressure, and tach
AEM tru-boost and UEGO
maddog 72% STS
Lots of weight removed
KYB struts
Eibach pro-kit springs
Poly bushings
SRT sways
AGP dog bones
Vitor's trans mount insert
booger bushings
1gn 3.55 trans (for now until I blow this one up too)
OBX LSD
spec stage 3 (again, for now)
hawk pads
kumho v710 tires

I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff, but that should give you an idea.

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:30 pm

esteinmaier wrote:You mean blow a 4th transmission, 3rd clutch or 6th driver's side axle?

Well, that's still not as bad as "Chipdogg" on "The.Org".... he's on MTX # 5, isn't he ??

-Nick

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:41 pm

More progress...

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:33 pm

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:31 am

^ does this mean it's running?

gilly02le · Post by **gilly02le** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:42 am

Plastic intake manifold ftl.. Jk man im just really suprised you still use the plastic straw intake, lol.