anyone running these?

w0158981 · Post by **w0158981** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:04 pm

i'm thinking about picking up a set of the alpine ALPINE SPR17S 6.5"
found a good deal on them just wondering if anyone is running them or has any opinions on them heres the link to the spics:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetai ... atid=20114

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:44 am

at 110w rms, you will WANT to run them off an amp, preferably with a crossover as well, since they are rated from 65hz and up. I personally would get a component set that has a lower RMS rating than that since you do not want to run an amp. NOW, if you run an amp, those would be great, get something that has about 100w RMS per channel, crossover, and you will love it. It will be crisp, loud, clear, and clean.

Personally, I always match my speakers to each other, as well as use the same amps. no reason, just my personal preference. I also stay away from fancy looking speakers since noone should see them (unless you run it in shows).

Running an amp is easy, just find a good mounting place, safe and dry away from feet (under the seat is stupd, IMO) and gets good air circulation and you just get a lot of good quality speaker wire. Run it under the carpet and run it through the wall where the rest of the wires run in your car door. Make sure you have good connections that won't fall off or ground out, and you will be set. Good luck!

w0158981 · Post by **w0158981** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:02 pm

110 rms is to much? o lol i'm new to the speaker thing i've been lookin for the highest rms the whole time

anyway so i should look for a speakers with say 100 watts rms and maybe closer to 20hrz for a frequency since i'm nor going to be running them off an amp?

edit: so i've been looking and found most components are 57+hrz and around 70-85 rms am i better off juss getting the alpines or should i scrap the components and get regular speakers?

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:00 pm

I don't know - here is what I would do if I still did all the steeo stuff...

Going to run a sub? Get separate mids and highs, run them off an amp with some nice clean power, make sure all your connections are clean, and use the right gauge wire. The 6.5 components are perfect for that just setup (separate sub)...

going to run them off the head unit? get something like this:

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/ ... 702&tp=106

quick look:

Pioneer TS-A1702C
4-ohm
2 way external crossover
50W rms, 250W peak
frequency: 31-35,000 Hz
sensitivity: 90 dB

I picked those because I prefer Pioneer, but also because you can run these off your head unit and still get a good sound.

For the rear I would do:

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/ ... 6982&tp=91

quick look:
Pioneer TS-A6982R 6x9's
80W rms 440W peak
frequency: 25-33,000 Hz
sensitivity: 93 dB

Now, once again, there are much better speakers out there, but for the money you will have a better sounding system than stock, and it will last, and it will be loud and sound good still. A nice 12" sub with a strong clean amp will give you all the bass your little heart desires, so you could put a high pass filter on all four of your speakers and run the sub below 80 Hz and the highs at or above 80 Hz. It has been so ling since I did anything like this myself or professionally, and so much has changed in such a short time, but some things stay the same - more power is not necesarily the best. Clean power is; but that takes money.

w0158981 · Post by **w0158981** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:24 pm

alright so correct me if i'm wrong but since i'm powering off the head unit the best way to go would be by lowering my rms and frequency
in the rear it seems like i need more power but much lower frequency to hit the lows i am looking to get out of them
i'm kinda getting the idea that yes having high rms is good but i need to keep it within distance from what i'm pumping out

could i run 80 in the front and say 100 in the back or is that pushin it lol

Jasmomo · Post by **Jasmomo** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:08 pm

Those are awsome speakers. I am going to get them when I get the money. I just checked them out at Best Buy the other day. You would need to at least run them off of an aftermarket stereo instead of the stock stereo. I have Ifinity Kappas 6x9's in the rear deck running of the stock deck and they sound a little less loud than the stock speakers did. However, they have good bass response and sound clear. They sound pretty good for being ten years old.

To answer your question I would say yes. 80Watts rms or less up front and the same or a little more for the rear.

I don't know how many watts the stock deck puts out but I know it is not much. In most cases the higher "db" a speaker is rated at the louder it will sound with a small amount of watts sent to it.

Those Pioneer specs look like a great match to a stock stereo like kc2002acr said.

jetas · Post by **jetas** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:26 am

Not to b a buzzkill but honestly theres no way ur guna get great sound jus off the HU trust me. Iv got a 12 in. sub n amp but nothin for the speakers. theyr loud but not enough to hear over the bass. so no matter wat ur guna have to buy an amp. Just buy some wit good frequency range n wen u hopefully decide to get an amp for them try to match em as close as possible.

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:46 am

that is not true... and damn, learn to spell! He is running an aftermarket HU which is why I suggested the above speakers, or anything similar. You can run a good 100W rms amp to a nice 10 or 12 inch sub and your sound would be perfect - not to loud on the outside, but great on the inside. With my Pioneer HU and stock speakers I can adjust my levels with the built in EQ and get my sound loud enough that I can not listen to it, but it still is clear. With aftermarket speakers I could easily bump it up even louder before it goes bad... Add a sub to it and you will deffinately be happy.

jetas · Post by **jetas** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:47 pm

Sorry bout the spelling. I text message too much. but anyway im running 200 watts to a 12 inch sub. I have a Pioneer HU and yes i have aftermarket speakers. I have the EQ on it set 0 bass n the highs are all the way up. but the speakers still get droned out by the bass. that why im saying hes better off getting an amp for the speakers anyway.

w0158981 · Post by **w0158981** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:22 pm

ok so what if we scrap the speakers right now and i invest in an amp now what size amp should i be goin is it cheaper to get 2 2 channel amps or one 4 channel amp? maybe 1200 wat max? i'm not a pro with amps so i'm going off a night of reading about them

Knoxville_R/T · Post by **Knoxville_R/T** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:27 pm

In my R/T I ran the polk 6.5 components with a 10" Diamond Audio sub(awesome sub if you like quality not boomy). I ran this all off a great hifonics 4 channel amp that put out 75 RMS to the components and then when I bridged the other 2 channels it put 350 rms to the sub. The sound was awesome and better then anything I have heard since. The sub hit hard and clean. Let me see if I can not find the numbers to the stuff I used.

Here are some REALLY OLD pictures from my car domain(I know I know) I ending up mounting the amp to the back of the seat and then placing the sub and box in the driver side corner. With the tweeter for the components, I just took a hole saw to the stock tweeter mounting plates and then mounted the polk tweeters in that.

Everything I got was off ebay as the prices were the best. It was
about 3 yrs ago though

Diamond Audio 10" dual 4 ohm VC (this company is awesome and most have never heard about them, check out their website)
Was around $150 new should be about $50 if yo can find one on ebay( I just sold my amp, box, and sub to my dad about 2 months ago or I would offer it to you)

Hifonics Zeus 4 channel amp
Was around $250 new. They should have some new lines out now.

Polk 6.5 components(db6501) around $200

ragek23 · Post by **ragek23** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:45 pm

w0158981 wrote:ok so what if we scrap the speakers right now and i invest in an amp now what size amp should i be goin is it cheaper to get 2 2 channel amps or one 4 channel amp? maybe 1200 wat max? i'm not a pro with amps so i'm going off a night of reading about them

Id try to find either a 4 or 2 channel amp with 2-400 watt max power.

For those components that should be enough. Also you should try and see if alpine makes a type E or type S component system. The type Rs tend to have a higher RMS rating and need more power.

http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/product ... g=en&tab=D
These have a lower RMS so you might be able to pull off using your stock headunit with them.

nineball · Post by **nineball** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:00 pm

i think you are confusing things a little bit. frequency response has nothing to do with power handling. the power rating of the speakers (and amps) are rated 2 ways, RMS and MAX. when matching speakers to amp, ALWAYS go by the RMS rating. forget it even says MAX anywhere. throw it out the window of your mind. it never happened. you never read it. get my point?

always try to match up the RMS of the speaker and the amp, as well as the ohm loads. most aftermarket hu's put out about 22rms per channel at a 4 ohm load. there are more options for amplifiers than car models, so you really have to decide on what you want to accomplish. you can get a decent 4 channel amp for under $150 which would drive any of the speakers mentioned in this thread nicely. alpine, hifonics, rf, (used) jl audio, the list goes on for days.

if you do decide to run new interior speakers with an amp, you will really want to get a sub as well to balance out the sound. again, selections here are great but you don't have to spend a lot of money to get decent sound. jl w1 series and alpine type-r subs, 2 middle of the road good quality speaker lines, can both be found for around $100 each new in 10". with a small amount of power (say 100-200RMS) they will fill your car with more bass than you need. again, match the power and ohm ratings. if they are not matched, always go with less power from the amp to more power of the spekaer, meaning you can't push too much power to the speaker.

w0158981 · Post by **w0158981** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:15 pm

ok so i took my headunit back tonight because i figure i can find a cheaper deal online,
so i'm going to snag a new one of those online (pioneer or alpine seems like good choices, i got to get an ibus cable but thats nothin on ebay, seems like the cheaper alpines like 200 and under are only 45w x4 and 16rms:S but i'm thinking Pioneer DEH-P6800MP might be nice to get,

for an amp i was told at best buy to make sure my amp overpowered my speakers thats y i'm getting confused so i'm going to get n amp say 75rmsx4? that should be decent with an aftermarket headunit right? or should i be getting 100rmsx4 do you think?

as for speakers i'm kinda thinking i either get components and 6x9's or components and a small 10" sub? i don't want the trunk raddling thing goin on to bad lol

from what i've read from the search button i should stay with the same product all through but pioneer amps are not so easy to find lol also if my decks pioneer and everything is say alpine will it sound bad?

nineball · Post by **nineball** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:45 pm

first, decide on what brand interior speakers you will be using, then decide on a model. front doors are 6.5" or 6.75" (either size will do), rear speakers are 6x9.

if you decide on a component set, it is best to mount the tweeter near the mid-bass. the easiest way to do that is to mount them directly into the door (most come with some sort of mounting kit, then just drill a hole for it). as you are not going to be entering any sound competitons i would suggest getting a set of 2 or 3 way speakers for the front door and forget about the dash. plus, coax speakers generally cost less than a set of components, and you don't have to worry about mounting the crossover.

get any 6x9 you want for the rear, but again a 2 or 3 way will do you fine. i would suggest the same line you choose for the front.

once you have purchased those, read their ratings. find their RMS and OHM load, then buy an amplifier accordingly. depending on the quality of the speaker you may not need to add a sub, but i would anyways. i like low end sound, and i like a full range of sound. a single 10" in a sealed box will do you just fine.

this does mean there will be potential for some added costs: sub, amp, box, and you should also get a 4guage or higher amp wiring kit. this then will lead you to upgrading your big 3 (power and ground wires for the car itself), then a new battery, then a new alternator, then sound deadener, then... it's a sickness, but one i love.

you don't have to use the same brand for all pieces, but that is a choice you have to make. i have all alpine speakers, including my subs, but they are powered by 2 hifonics amps.

something else to keep in mind is that the power rating on the hu won't matter if you are using amps. you will be using the rca output, which is a low-level signal.

Knoxville_R/T · Post by **Knoxville_R/T** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:05 am

I still oppose using a 2 or 3 way speaker. Its like using an all season tire. It works for both, but not well at either. Also don't use 6X9's if you can, use a sub if you want bass.

What type of music do you listen to? That would help pick out the best setup.

w0158981 · Post by **w0158981** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:55 am

well i listen to a lil bit if this ant that, i like hip hop and all that bass stuff, dance, country, rock, and sum days i like that slow stuff like jack johnson

is the difference in 16 - 22 rms a huge difference? i'm debating on decks, i'm hoping for get one with an aux as i'm not a huge fan of using the deck to change my ipod but it might be alright i was lookin at the pioneer deh-p5900ib or the alpine cda9883, theres toooo many