md street racing crash today

own3d5974 · Post by **own3d5974** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:55 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... components

that shits sad

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:36 am

It was a drunk driver that wasn't involved in the racing at all, doing 100 mph with no headlights on, that killed everyone.

Still sad though.

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:18 am

invujerry wrote:It was a drunk driver that wasn't involved in the racing at all, doing 100 mph with no headlights on, that killed everyone.

Still sad though.

I saw the news and they mentioned nothing about the guy being drunk or having his lights off

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:44 am

jrumann59 wrote:
invujerry wrote:It was a drunk driver that wasn't involved in the racing at all, doing 100 mph with no headlights on, that killed everyone.

Still sad though.
I saw the news and they mentioned nothing about the guy being drunk or having his lights off

Police said they are investigating reports that the Crown Victoria's headlights were off.

but it still sad.....

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:47 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080216/ap_ ... ing_deaths

Witnesses said about 50 people were gathered before dawn along Route 210 as two car spun their wheels, kicked up smoke and sped off, said Prince George's County police Cpl. Clinton Copeland.

Fans had spilled onto the smoky, dark roadway to watch the cars drive away when a white Ford Crown Victoria unexpectedly came up from behind and smashed into them.

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:12 am

invujerry wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080216/ap_ ... ing_deaths

Witnesses said about 50 people were gathered before dawn along Route 210 as two car spun their wheels, kicked up smoke and sped off, said Prince George's County police Cpl. Clinton Copeland.

Fans had spilled onto the smoky, dark roadway to watch the cars drive away when a white Ford Crown Victoria unexpectedly came up from behind and smashed into them.

It should have said the crown came up the road and unexpectedly encountered people standing in the middle of the road. How odd to have a car on a public road who would have thunk it.

The 11 o'clock news here in MD have said no charges are pending and nothing about no headlights.

zerocoolok · Post by **zerocoolok** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:50 am

jrumann59 wrote:It should have said the crown came up the road and unexpectedly encountered people standing in the middle of the road. How odd to have a car on a public road who would have thunk it.

The 11 o'clock news here in MD have said no charges are pending and nothing about no headlights.

Who'd have thought that a car would be running at 100mph at night without headlights on... come on all of us have been in situations like this... it's not like they were doing this on the freeways or in a neighborhood, they were on a secluded road with no traffic at all. I don't condone street racing, however the only lives they were endangering there were their own.

EDIT: not to mention that the news is going to twist the story around to make it the street racers fault, but you'd think that out of 50 people in the road, one would have seen the car coming if it had it's lights on....

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:14 am

probably not because they were watching the race....backs turned...

i think they are idiots for being in the road....regardless if the car was doing 100 or 55 it still would have killed people most likely....

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:23 am

Its sad that an unmarked "Ex?" undercover cop car ripped through the crowd with no headlights on. And the drivers name is not released yet?
kinda strange sounding to me...

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:49 pm

I haven't heard anything from the local news saying the guy was drunk, or he was exceeding the speed limit or his lights were off. This is also the first I heard about it being a former police car.

Lets see you wouldn't have 50 people in the road if there wasn't a street race. They haven't filed any charges against the driver yet which leads me to believe they won't find him negligent enough to charged.

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:11 pm

its very sad indeed, and i have been to alot of areas in md where we have watched or been apart of street racing and many times jerk offs in crown vics show off cause they cant afford to make there car fast so they do stupid and odd stunts and i have seen in many incidents where the crown vics would folllow a race, they sit behind the racers or they park off the side of the road and as the cars fly by they follow up the rear, some leave so fast that they turn there lights on as they are pulling off (because every one's lights are off to keep traffic from seeing how many people are actually there) its because of stupid shyt like that i nolonger go to the races and if i do i dont really leave my car.

Wenuden · Post by **Wenuden** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:28 pm

zerocoolok wrote:
jrumann59 wrote:It should have said the crown came up the road and unexpectedly encountered people standing in the middle of the road. How odd to have a car on a public road who would have thunk it.

The 11 o'clock news here in MD have said no charges are pending and nothing about no headlights.
Who'd have thought that a car would be running at 100mph at night without headlights on... come on all of us have been in situations like this... it's not like they were doing this on the freeways or in a neighborhood, they were on a secluded road with no traffic at all. I don't condone street racing, however the only lives they were endangering there were their own.

EDIT: not to mention that the news is going to twist the story around to make it the street racers fault, but you'd think that out of 50 people in the road, one would have seen the car coming if it had it's lights on....

Rt. 210 is in no way a secluded traffic free road. Its a fairly major artery for people traveling to and from southern Maryland.

Oh, and anything done on a public road has the potential to endanger others. Like 50 people in the middle of the street at 3am.

Jru, channel 7 was reporting that the driver was being investigated for DUI yesterday morning when I was watching at work.

dodge_girl · Post by **dodge_girl** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:29 pm

regardless of who was at fault that is tragic and never needed to happen...

lolelectricbluesxt · Post by **lolelectricbluesxt** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:01 pm

Well of course, nobody deserves to die. But standing on a freeway is not the best idea at any time of the day.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:38 pm

i wouldn't be surprised if the guys actually that were street racing getting charged....

b/c the cops would probably say something like if they wouldn't have raced no one would of been in the street...

whenever i used to go down to york and watch races i always was way off the road still in my car...

pyro · Post by **pyro** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:50 pm

On cable news, video of eyewitness account stated car had only parking lights on. Pics of the C.Vic lead me to believe he was haulin' some serious ass.

Any vehicle that was travelling at to high a speed to: 1. not notice, 2. react to, and 3. stop in time for an unforseen situation in the road is in violation of the basic speed law. I've been on the wrong side of this, and there is no argument.

8 counts of Manslaughter, whether the people were supposed to be there or not, they didn't jump out in front of him. Let a jury decide. If the guy was drunk, or even wet, it's a done deal to get pre-meditation also.

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:16 pm

Pre-meditation means he had planned and had intent to kill people with his car. Unless he knew people there a half intelligent lawyer will get pre-meditation thrown out especially in a motor vehicle case. If the guy was doing the speed limit or faster and he didn't see anyone til he was right on top of the group it would account for the damage. This road has a speed limit of 55 and it isn't uncommon for someone to be doing 15 to 20 over on it especially if there is little to no traffic.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:29 pm

...natural selection.

Kevin_GP · Post by **Kevin_GP** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:07 am

Wow that is really messed up. People shouldn't bistand and from the damage it looks like that guy was going a hell of alot faster than 55. Its weird they haven't released his name or say that no chargers are pending in that first article.

pyro · Post by **pyro** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:12 am

Pre-meditation might be a stretch I guess. Intent is irrelevant for manslaughter. Gross negligence is plenty to bring a case. I could be wrong, but I say they should put the screws to him. If he doesn't stand in front of a jury, or at least get a ticket, I'm going to want to know why.

If he drank any alchohol and got behind the wheel, around here that is enough for negligent homocide and/or manslaughter. It is forseeable to a reasonable person that an accident could occur when operating a motor vehicle in an impaired state, even if not legally drunk.

Even at 15MPH over the posted limit, he was a proximate(closest in the causal chain) cause in the deaths of 8 people. The fact that they shouldn't have been there does not mitigate his responsibility at all. The car looks like he hit them at high speed, without even slowing. 120-140 feet would have been an approximate stopping distance, weather was apparently clear enought to see well beyond that distance, plenty of time to stop for an un-impaired driver . . . something is wrong with this story. If he had hit the brakes for any distance at all he would have bled 30-40 MPH off before initial impact. I'm thinking the driver has friends in the department. The lack of details about the driver is very interesting.

03blackrt wrote:...natural selection.

Cold, but I don't totally disagree. In the middle of the expressway at night, I'd have my ears perked & my head on a swivel - you couldn't hit me if you tried.
But is the D.A.'s position going to be that the victims got what they deserved? Major Nifong move IMHO. Career ender.

Or, let's put it this way: If it was me in my car, and I hammered into a group of bicyclists/protestors or other 'sympathetic' group instead of racing spectators, what would the story be? Me in jail, end of story.
'I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the internet'

Wenuden · Post by **Wenuden** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:20 am

tire smoke from a double burnout is hard to see thru.........

pyro · Post by **pyro** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:40 am

^^True, but it is a reason to slow down, just like if it was fog. Back to the basic speed law, too fast for conditions. If you can't stop by the edge of your visibility, you are going too fast.

It's a sad situation all around, but the C.Vic driver certainly isn't blameless. If they catch the racers, sure they should get tickets for racing. Let's ticket the dead people for obstructing traffic too. . . and all the people that have admitted they were there on TV. Tickets all around, and caskets for the slow people.

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:07 am

So what do you charge the truck driver with.

pyro · Post by **pyro** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:02 am

Unsafe speed for conditions. There was obviously an accident in the road, if he was traveling at a safe speed for conditions, he could have stopped.
The basic speed law makes it easy to charge anybody they want to. It is like a paradox, if there is an collision, there is a reason, and if you couldn't stop, the reason is you were going too fast. I've been on the wrong end of this, and lost.

I didn't expect 30,000 gallons a minute to be coming down Slauson Ave that afternoon, but even though I was within the speed limit it was my fault I hit six inches of water on a clear day. Nevermind the truck that took out the fire hydrant 45 seconds earlier, it was irrelevant in the eyes of the law.
In my experience, if it was me, I would be getting screwed royally. I don't see why it should be any different for anybody else.

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:18 pm

naw the truck driver ran over a piece in the road not a whole body.

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:18 pm

naw the truck driver ran over a piece in the road not a whole body.

own3d5974 · Post by **own3d5974** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:14 pm

J-Villa wrote:i wouldn't be surprised if the guys actually that were street racing getting charged....

b/c the cops would probably say something like if they wouldn't have raced no one would of been in the street...

whenever i used to go down to york and watch races i always was way off the road still in my car...

just heard a couple days ago that they are going to rule this out to be the fault of the street racing crowd because "they were not in a designated cross walk" and the driver is going to get reckless driving for not having his lights on...... b.s. if you ask me

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:22 pm

yea it is....

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:56 pm

soo he didnt have his lights on? hmmm....

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:44 pm

own3d5974 wrote:
J-Villa wrote:i wouldn't be surprised if the guys actually that were street racing getting charged....

b/c the cops would probably say something like if they wouldn't have raced no one would of been in the street...

whenever i used to go down to york and watch races i always was way off the road still in my car...
just heard a couple days ago that they are going to rule this out to be the fault of the street racing crowd because "they were not in a designated cross walk" and the driver is going to get reckless driving for not having his lights on...... b.s. if you ask me

You have a link on this.