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wierd sub question

Post by boom314 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:37 am

hey guys after me and my friend were talkign about subs i have decided that i want to run a 10 and a 12 in my trunk. my question is do you guys know if this is a good idea and what i should get to do this. i dont want to spend all kinds of money. i have found a few subs that i like and found the match only in thte other size. my friend said that the subs need to have the same watts and ohms.

here are some links to what i found that i like

Kenwoods:
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio ... 3791,13790
Rockford Fosgates:
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio ... 4233,14234
Kickers:
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio ... 4823,14822
Lighting Audio:
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio ... 1782,11783
MTX:
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio ... 3309,13311


here is my little design for the box im gonna build for my trunk, and the little red thing on the top is the amp.

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oh and i need the perfect amp for these also

thanks in advanced for all your help, please no critisizm.

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Post by Spork » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:15 am

If you are going to run two different size subs in your trunk, make sure it's less than 10 and greater 11. The frapping noise will almost be unbearable if you go any closer. I've seen a single 15" with four 8" subs that sounded pretty good. The 8s were used for the 60-240Hz range where as the sub was tuned for less than 120Hz. I have also seen this setup with 8s and two 12s. Never have I seen a good sounding setup with a 12 and a 10. Mount the amp to the back of the fold down seat, build the box for two 12" subs sealed in a common chamber or have someone build you a ported box tuned to 32-37Hz and set it up facing the back end of the car. It will pound if you do it right.

Check out some of the professional installs in some of the magazines you can get. Notice how you will never find things like one 12" sub and one 10" sub, or for that matter, two subs of different sizes varrying only in one size step. Even the manufacturers of the really bad speaker builders like Audiobahn will tell you not to do it.

Currently I've got one 12" DVC and I'm going to two 8" SVC and ditching the 12". I'll have more cone mass that way. Not to mention the max excursion from the single 8" is almost double that of the 12".

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Almost forgot... Exactly what are you looking for from your stereo? Do you want pound, boom, quality, spl, sql, tight and punchy, loose and sloppy, or the long thrown boom to be heard blocks away? I'll be glad to help you find the right setup for what you want, and I'll help you find it cheap too. I just need more information from you to really make any recomendations.
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Post by boom314 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:28 am

thanks. maybe ill go with a 12 and 2 8s would that work.

well im not sure what the technical terms for what i want are. but i do like to get the thumping when i listen to rap, and i want feel the deep low notes when i listen to rock. i listen to a variety of music and i want the best out of them.

i also want to make this fit as far back into my trunk as possible against the seats.

EDIT: what would be a great headunit for me. my friend says i need at least 2 preamp outputs cus i want to run 2 amps, eventually. one for the subs and one for the speakers.

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Post by Spork » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:07 am

Since you like the bass of rap and the undertones of rock, two 8s and one 12 should sound decent. One thing I would do, run the different size subs with different amps so you can tune them to your style. As for the headunit, you will need a total of three unless you don't want to use the 6x9 location in the back deck. Most headunits are set up as front, rear, and subwoofer. If they only have two preamps then the controls for the sub is dropped. If they have one preamp then it's generally just the subs, but you really can't find those much anymore.

If you are concerned about price, this is what I would do:

Start with your head unit as that will give you the most improvement of sound quality over stock plus give you more features that you don't currently have. A good one to look at is the Kenwood KDC-MP4028. It has a really good signal-to-noise level and great fm sensitivity (get in those hard to reach radio stations). Can do XM or Sirius if you want satallite. Have a look at this comparison. Now, $179 at crutchfield isn't bad because you get the install kit and wire harnesses for free. I'd say the kit and harnesses can be found for as low as $20 if you look hard enough, generally you'll spend about $40 on all the kits new (wire, antenna, dash mount). I've seen the Kenwood unit for as low as $100. I'm not pushing Kenwood here, I honestly don't like their lower end equipment but I'm just trying to help you find what you need for your setup done cheap.

Your second step should be to look for a really good dual voice coil 12" sub. This will be your primary bass driver so I would recommend spending a bit more on it than your original plan. Forget about the 8s for now, that should come later down the line. A good DVC 12" capable of handling 300W RMS will more or less do what you need, compare the differences in the subs you are looking at by the XMax values. When you get the 8s, look at SVC 8s at 4ohm and wire them up for a 2ohm load. Whatever you do, make sure the 12 and 8s are not in a common chamber box, one of the two sizes will be destroyed by the others excursion and back pressure.
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Post by boom314 » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:17 pm

thanks for your input i appreciate it very much since i know nothing about car audio. i did have a headunit already picked out with 3 preamp outputs but the kenwood you showed me is alot better. thanks

oh and what would the best type of box be for the 2 types of subs?

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Post by Spork » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:48 pm

two different subs in one box will not work. You should have a different box for each size speaker you have. One box for the two 8s, one box for the 12. Or... one for each 8 and one for the 12. As mentioned above, don't ever combine two subs of different sizes in the same box/chamber.
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Post by boom314 » Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:20 pm

oh oops i ment what type of box would be best for each sub. like for the 12 would a sealed or ported box be best and the same thing for the 8s
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Post by Spork » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:14 pm

That one would depend greatly on the different subs. Some of them are absolutely fantastic with sealed where others work best ported. Since you are running two different sizes, I would go ported so as not to have any akward pressure displacements. If you can do common chamber for the 8s, do it, otherwise give them their own sealed boxes.
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Re: wierd sub question

Post by Datoyminaytah » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:12 pm

boom314 wrote:here are some links to what i found that i like

Kenwoods:
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio ... 3791,13790
I personally have a single Kenwood KFC-3009, and love it.

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