Anyone have really good hookups?

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:12 am

I'm looking to get a new headunit for my cobalt because I'm SICK of this damn panasonic one.... The whole "controlling ipod through headunit" thing blows on this like most other headunits.

I'm looking for something double din, has full speed ipod control, and really that's all i care about. If the screen detaches, bad ass, but not necessary. I know only a few double dins actually have detachable faces. (JVC being one of them.) Preferred brands being Apline, Pionner, JVC, or Clarion. Pretty much in that order.

I was looking at the alpine IVA-W505, but I don't have $1,000 to spend, so I was wondering if anyone has some connections, or can get stuff at store cost? Or hell, if anyone has any receiver suggestions then let me know. I'd prefer to spend under $500 if possible. I don't give two shits about DVD or NAV (who the hell needs a DVD player in the car, and i alread have a damn GPS), just full ipod control.

nineball · Post by **nineball** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:32 am

http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/product ... l=iDA-X100

built for the ipod and under $300 retail.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:37 am

but sadly, not a double din

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:52 am

These come with bluetooth built in
Primier Unit
http://www.pioneerusa.com/PUSA/Products ... /FH-P800BT

Pioneer
http://www.pioneerusa.com/PUSA/Products ... FH-P8000BT

Proximity · Post by **Proximity** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:19 pm

Why do you car about double din if you don't care about dvd/nav? Alpine head units are freaking amazing for ipods, get a CDA-9885 or 9887 and you're golden. I have a cde 9881 and it's awesome.

jetas · Post by **jetas** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:13 am

Proximity wrote:Why do you car about double din if you don't care about dvd/nav?

Because maybe the stock stereo is Double DIN. The one in my dads silverado is. That why i never put a deck in it. I dint want the stupid install kit

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:37 am

yup, stock stereo is double din, and having a single din with a little cubby hole looks like shit. i'm sick of all the cheap plastic around my stereo.

Fuzzyneon · Post by **Fuzzyneon** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:08 pm

what model? i have pioneer accomidations at work pm me ill pm you what models i can get cause im about to order a headunit too

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:12 pm

Pioneer AVH-P4000DVD is the only one i'm looking at. i'd like to see how the ipod controls are, yet i can't find a video... it's gay

how about alpine or jvc?

trinity_rush2001 · Post by **trinity_rush2001** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:43 pm

i to have accomodations at work mainly pioneer and eclipse decks but i will double check and see if i can get anything else for u lmk if ur interested in anything....ill try and get u a print out of what i can get

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:48 am

hey opi you do realise too your harness is
$70-120+ and your dash kit (if the colbalts use the GM-LAN bus also) is $150-200+ (if not LAN-BUS then 24-60).... bet your wishing you kept the neon now eh?

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:28 am

1 40GM10 METRA - 40GM10 - GM factory $4.65
antenna with mini barbed or
barbless plug to afte

1 70-2103 METRA - 70-2103 - Metra $10.58
70-2103 Turbo Wire Car
Harness

1 99-3302 METRA - 99-3302 - Chevrolet $10.58
Stereo Installation Kit for
2004-2005 Chevrolet Eq

(That's straight from the receipt when I bought the parts 3 months ago.) Nope, still glad I got rid of the neon.

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:27 am

....... i find it really hard to believe that a 06 colbalt dosent at least have the GM-ClassII data bus system if not the GM-Lan system

(edit) yea i thaught so... this is from my metra book
05-06 cobalt:
harness: XSVI-2103 $79.99 *dose not retain on-star
kit: 99-3302 $19.99 *dose not retain onstar
ant: 40-GM10

07+ Cobalt:
harness: GMOS-LAN-03 $149.99 *retains onstar
kit: same
ant: same

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:46 am

because i don't know what is currently in my car, working. and i think i would know what is required to put in a stereo of the car that i own. Reasons like this is why I don't let people install stereo crap in any car I've ever owned. They just assume.

but if you REALLY want to challenge what i'm saying:
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=96094

Edit myself: I don't have, nor will I ever get, onstar

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:56 am

it looks that Onstar wasnt standard or an option in 05-06 hence the XSVI harness. they are both LAN-Bus interfaces.

the 70-2103 will work IF you do the rewireing like whats stated on that site you linked to. the 70-2103 is originally a saturn 05+ harness which is why you have to relocate the speaker lines. he didnt mention the ACC line also. if you DONT want to rewire and do it RIGHT you need the XSVI-2103. my info is straight from metra man and years of install experience ive done a few of these cars before

with a car that has a clean slate like what you got i would do it clean and do it right

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:07 am

"do it clean and do it right"

All I had to do, was plug a harness in, snip 1 factory wire, and run to a switched source. I think that's about as clean as it gets. Every speaker in the car works, I still have my door chimes, and the radio stays on for 10 minutes when the car is shut off, just like factory. I didn't have to re-wire anything.

I think your install experience is flawed there buddy. There is more than one way to do something right. Unless you've worked on a cobalt yourself, I'd say you have little room to talk.

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:09 am

QUOTE from the site your linked.

OPS's Linked Site wrote: 5.) What Harness do i need for my 05-06?

Metra = 70-2103
Warning the Scosche, AI and Bluewave harnesses are for Saturn's... the plug will physiclly work but you will need to repin the speaker wires along with cut or remove the 2 red "jumpers". I dont recommend them but i have the part numbers listed.

you colbalt buddie apperently agreed with me before this issue even came up... balance and fade your speakers and do a phase test... i bet you your going to have problems with phase. without even looking in the book i bet you the 70-2103 is light blue. and i have done some cobalts which is why im telling you the XSVI is the RIGHT harness, GM has about 4 different harnesses that will plug into your factory one but it dosent mean its the right one

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:12 am

Yea, if you buy the Scosche, AI, or bluewave brand harnesses. I bought the Metra.

I have messed with the balance and fade. Right goes right, left goes left, ect ect. I can safely say though, I have no idea what a phase test is.

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:15 am

the haness hes thinking of are the saturn harness. they look identical to yours color and all thats why hes saying to repin them. they dont make a G6 harness which is whats in your car, which is what the 70-2103 is.

phas is the + - on the radio are connected to the + - of the speakers correctly. if you wire a speaker backwards you loose some low end. however now that i look at this G6 harness and the shematic of your car it looks like it might be fine. you will never know tho unless you had an actual phase tester that connects to the line

im telling you tho thres a reason why metra is saying to use the XSVI version of the 70-2103 and not the actual 70-2103

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:18 am

if i had a 07+ then yes, you'd be right. you'd be 100% right

but I don't. I own an 06. That's the reason why I can get away with using the harness I have in the car, without the need to re-pin anything. This is actually why I bought an '06, so I wouldn't have to worry about loosing factory features.

Would you like a video of the car working just fine and dandy?

Also, the only reason i even so much as had to snip a factory wire is due to the fact I have the pioneer system in the car. I had to disable the factory amp, otherwise the speakers don't work.

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:31 am

im not saying its not going to work, you can get anything to work, i got a toyota radio to work in a chevy, that dosent mean that its right. and the XSVI-2103 is for the 05-06 the 07+is the GMOS-LAN-03/04. running a line for switched is considered a last resort among the MECP community, if you have the harness that is made for the car you use it unless its some emergency which is usually the case. but if a had that car man i would want it 100% clean is all

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:33 am

lets see, $10 > $80, and there isn't a damn bit of difference between having to run one little line, and having an $80 that makes it work.

Hell, in my cavalier I used to own, you HAD to run a switch. there was no way around it. What does the MECP say about that?

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:39 am

LOL thats teh emergency usually the price... the costomer dosent have the money which is understandable.

the XSVI's are a little over year old. the cavilier harness your taling about im sure is the 70-2001 which actually came with a line to run. now in cars that you have to run a line which were the ClassII cars the 70-2001 will work and you used that harness if thats all you had. but the right harness to use was the databus harness wich was like $100+. again price is 90% of the time an issue so we were forced to use the 70-2001 harness with the red line it came with. that same harness now is $40, which isnt as much as an issue so we use it every time

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:40 am

Well this was a fun lesson now wasn't it. We both learned a thing or two.

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:48 am

GM-ClassII is gone now and the Gm-LAN is what replaced it which is whats in your colbalt. all dodge/chrysler have a system thats simillar that the Gm-LAN is based on called the CAN-Bus. if i remember Mercedies-Benz developed it.

the good thing about your car tho is the LAN-Bus itself. it only takes about 45min for a good installer to throw in an alarm. all you need are 3 connections because the LAN bus will communicate directly to an alarm that has an interface for it ie DEI. otherwise you would have to do it 'old school' and it would take hours on end

EDIT: the H2 and the Corvette still use the Gm-ClassII system

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:12 pm

CAN-BUS is outdated... Chryslers are all on CAN-BUS II now... get with the times man, lol

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:14 pm

OMG lol serious not much is different between the 2

but yea you are right

blue demon02 · Post by **blue demon02** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:07 pm

Opi wrote:Well this was a fun lesson now wasn't it. We both learned a thing or two.

I'm not trying to be a jerk but if he had to tell you what a phase test was then I think I would listen to him way before I would ever trust that what your saying is correct.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:27 pm

difference is though, i don't claim, nor have i ever, to be an electrics specialist. i do know how to install stereos in a car i own, or have owned, because i research, ask questions, and find out everything before i do so. i don't take my answers out of a book. i take the answers from the actual owners of the vehicles.

i know + needs to go to + and - needs to go to -. That doesn't mean i have to know what a phase test is.

and no offense taken.

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:55 pm

hes right, phase should be fine, i checked the wiring. the thing that bugged me is that the forums was telling him one thing and metra was really strong in suggesting that harness, im sure they have a good reason and i know alot of it has to do with the GM-LAN-Bus using RAS to turn on the radio and some other things; but its not REQUIRED to have the radio run.

its systems like this with LAN-Bus, and dodge now using the CAN-Bus system that really bothers me and has completely turned me off to some auto manufacturers.. that and the hideous cars they are coming out with now and flat interiors with no curvature to them.. its so boring to sit inside of a box. i am really looking into a VW just because CAN-Bus is the lesser of the 2 evils and VW is making the only cars nowadays that actually have a style that i find appealing like i did with the neons back in '95