Removing engine help!

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:11 pm

My Omni

The 550 lift cam kicked yet another rocker arm, so I had to leave it in front of the VFW. Went back less than 12 hours later and the car was gone. Tools, new drag radials, and more were out all out of sight, so they scored big on me

dodgeneonzl · Post by **dodgeneonzl** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:10 pm

Hey guys, sorry about the late updates... anyway, I got everything pretty much bolted up and ready to start it... but i found 2 wires which i have no idea what they are... one of them is by the starter... i'm thinking it connects to the starter power wire? the connector itself is red, but the wire is black which makes me think it might be a ground wire? So i'm afraid to put it together with the red power wire for the starter... i included the message so if you guys can help me out that would be great!

Second wire, i have a connector right by the firewall on the top... i included the picture also... looks like a 2 pin female connector to me... but i couldn't find the male connector for it anywhere for it... hopefully you guys can figure out for me... i really wanted to get these two wires figure out because i'm ready to fire it up for the first time after these two are sorted out! Thanks guys!!!

Hopefully i can get it done today and get my exhaust pipes welded too!

Red wire by the starter

2pin female connector near the firewall... the inside is yellow in color.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:28 pm

The red connector does go to your starter. You put the main connection on first, then the smaller one (the one in question) goes next, then the nut. There should be a slot in the top of the first connector that the one you pictured will come out of and it will point upwards.

The second one...not sure. Maybe something either on the master cylinder or it may go lower to the canister purge solenoid.

dodgeneonzl · Post by **dodgeneonzl** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:09 pm

sweet! thanks danteneon!! you're a life saver... thanks for the fast reply.... ok, so i just got all the coolent and etc... so i'm gonna go back and try it out... hopefully it'll start up... keep you guys updated this evening when i get it started *cross fingers*...

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:20 pm

YAY! *crosses fingers*

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:36 pm

*ties penis in a knot*

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:37 pm

That will make sure the car starts!

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:26 pm

It's almost as useful as crossing your fingers... except when I post the pictures online, it'll make me money!

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:35 pm

asanti · Post by **asanti** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:37 pm

TheRandom1 wrote:*ties penis in a knot*

Holy Sh!t, Ron Jeremy's a member here?!

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:43 pm

No, but John Holmes is.

<---John Holmes

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:50 pm

To be clear, I was not planning on tying DanteNeon's penis in a knot....

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:51 pm

Thank you for that. And my wife thanks you as well!

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:55 pm

Tell her I said any time!

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:58 pm

Will do

OK, engough OT...the OP will come back from starting his car and be like "WTF?!?!?"

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:00 pm

His fault he was trying to start his car and not partying in here...

Anyways, good luck starting the car dude, I hope it runs well for ya!

How long does it take to start a car and hook up the starter anyways? (assuming he didn't do it in that order, since that would be funny... but bad)

dodgeneonzl · Post by **dodgeneonzl** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:02 am

WTF?!?!?

lol, j/k haha, i read you guy's post... dang man... I was hoping to have this as a guide for the minors who are starting to mod their neon! It's probably rated R now for this post :p... heh

Anyway, good news!! The car started up and runs good... but it's loud as hell as i cut the exhaust and haven't had it welded up yet...

First time starting it... it smokes a bit.... realize one of the wire got caught by the header and melted some of it...

Then after taking it away it stopped... I drove it from my old apartment to my new apartment by tying the exhaust to the body. So now I got the car in my apartment...!!! Woot!! who wants my old motor? lol...

Anyway, i still have quite a bit to do... including bolting up all the brackets and stuff, getting the seals back into the axles... etc... but it runs good! Just glad i didn't get a lemon motor... but then they're from LKQ, and they're a pretty good company. Anyway, i will keep you guys updated... once everything completed, i will take a video of how it runs and everything!!

Oh, by the way danteneon, that one plug that i was asking about... it was for the plug that was behind the battery... i think it's like the battery temperature sensor or something like that... not sure if yours have one, but mine does. Ok, back to working on the car... keep you guys updated!!

P.S. Thanks for all the help and encouragement guys! Glad i swapped out the motor instead of getting a new car! I love my neon!

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:11 am

Congrats man, glad to hear it’s running good for ya!

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:14 am

Thats great news! Congratz on a job well done

And just think about how much you have learned from this experience. It makes the next one easier

Oh, and no, I don't have a battery temp sensor on mine. I keep forgetting about those on these cars

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:18 am

Oh, and I'm sure a mod can clean up our OT discussions for you and keep your thread clean for use as a how-to for others.

asanti · Post by **asanti** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:37 am

Awesome work on gettin it started and driving!

The only thing that concerned me after reading was THIS:

Anyway, i still have quite a bit to do... including bolting up all the brackets and stuff, getting the seals back into the axles... etc...

IIRC if you drove the car without the axle seals in place, wouldn't you have dumped out the trans fluid out all over the place? Or even risk ruining the axles themselves!? I could be wrong (at work running on only 5hrs of sleep FTL) but I'd HATE to see you have another problem after you've just done all this work bro.

Later
Allex

DoubtedNeon · Post by **DoubtedNeon** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:08 pm

wow i was following this to the end, sweet im so glad ur neon is back in the game! time to abuse another engine!

Post by **jonnymopar** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:15 pm

How did it feel driving it? Was there any vibration/clicking from that driver's side axle? If not, you should be good, at least for a while.

Congrats!

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:44 am

Danteneon wrote:Thats great news! Congratz on a job well done

And just think about how much you have learned from this experience. It makes the next one easier

Oh, and no, I don't have a battery temp sensor on mine. I keep forgetting about those on these cars

Actually the pre-NGC use the AIT sensor as the battery sensor also. Unplug it and your battery light will come on! Multi tasking FTW! Not sure on their logic with the temp sensors, my 99 XJ has the separate sensor under the battery.
Kinda flip flopping back and forth with the method.

asanti wrote:Awesome work on gettin it started and driving! The only thing that concerned me after reading was THIS:
Anyway, i still have quite a bit to do... including bolting up all the brackets and stuff, getting the seals back into the axles... etc...

IIRC if you drove the car without the axle seals in place, wouldn't you have dumped out the trans fluid out all over the place? Or even risk ruining the axles themselves!? I could be wrong (at work running on only 5hrs of sleep FTL) but I'd HATE to see you have another problem after you've just done all this work bro.

Later
Allex

I think he just needs the rubber boot around the cv joint. It will still sling grease, but for a short run...

dodgeneonzl · Post by **dodgeneonzl** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:56 pm

Sorry about the late update guys... been messing around with the car and driving around for a little bit... dang... it's been about 3 months now since i've driven it for the last time. I remember it was just the beginning of summer when i got water in it... and now i guess it's the end of summer that i'm driving it... I guess my neon just like to stay put during the summer eh?

Anyway, yeah, sorry, i do mean the CV boot... and dang... those grease really doesn't come off the hands after working on it. So I got those on, but i still have a couple of brackets which i think i'll just leave out... One of them was the piece of bracket holding the motor to the transmission at the back (i've look through it, it looks like i have enough bolts elseware and also the supporting collar bracket between the oil pan and motor to keep it in place),

and the other was the bracket for the intake manifold... I already had the one on the passenger side secured... and i don't think it's necessary to put the one on the driver side... the intake manifold isn't heavy anyway.

Finally, i didn't put on the bracket that was attached to the motor and the bottom bolt between the header and the cat because one of the 4 bolts (the bottom one, also the one that was needed to use the bracket) broke... so i can't use the bracket now... So, i guess the real connection between the block and the back exhaust pipes are the header bolts... Do you guys think it would be a problem for it in the long run? Also, is it possble to replace the bolt on the header where it connects to the cat? I mean i think it's welded into the header is it? or would it come out with a hammer?

Anyway, beside these problem... i don't have much else besides getting the water temperature wire hooked up... it broke when my batter hit it. Also, hooked up my gauges!!! Woot! I got the oil pressure and water temp gauges working... as for the oil temperature gauge... i might just get a voltameter instead since i can't think of another place to place a oil temperature sensor. (already used the back for oil pressure).

I'm try to get a camera and get a video clip of it soon...

P.S. I also put in the srt 4 leather seats!! and they feels good!

m2736185 · Post by **m2736185** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:53 pm

Hey, so you ended up pulling the engine out instead of pulling it out from under?

dodgeneonzl · Post by **dodgeneonzl** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:44 am

Yeah, i pulled it out from the top....

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:04 pm

"Also, is it possble to replace the bolt on the header where it connects to the cat? I mean i think it's welded into the header is it? or would it come out with a hammer? "

It should pound out. If it is flush, then use a punch to push it out. they are just pressed in with splines.

PN# 6100 297 (4) BOLT AND CONED WASHER, Hex
Head, M8x35x17 ECB

They are interchangeable between the ecb and ech manifolds

dodgeneonzl · Post by **dodgeneonzl** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:25 pm

ohhh... ok, thanks occasional daemon, but i think i might just leave it as it is... because taking a hammer in to pound out the lower bolt is impossible without taking it out... i was having trouble with just taking out the bolt when i tried to take the motor out last time... so i doubt i would be able to "pound" it out

dodgeneonzl · Post by **dodgeneonzl** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:56 pm

Ok, so here's some long overdue photos... after the swap