keyless

moparman00 · Post by **moparman00** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:00 pm

i would like to be keyless in the car...i am not gonna eliminate the key locks on the doors in case of the battery dieing, but i would like to eliminate the ignition. i have the whole keyless entry sentry thing(2000 plymouth neon 5 spd) and this is my idea.

my key comes out of the ignition when the car is running, as its worn out quite a bit, and the car stays running...so does the system need the key in during only the ignition process? or does the key just need to be in close range of the system? if so i could tape it under the dash or something....

as for the steering lock i could turn the key to the on position, take it out, hide it under the dash, and i could wire a toggle to put the car in the 'on' position, and then wire a momentary switch for the starter....would that work?

if the system actually requires the key to be physically in the ignition, is there a way to bypass that?

so basically as an end result i would like no key in the ignition, a toggle switch to arm the system, basically to simulate the key being on, and then a momentary switch to start the car...

sorry for the long post with all of the questions and probably impossible scenarios...

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:42 am

if im reading this right your using a remote starter to start the car and your issue is getting the key read so the car cna turn on?

if thats the case and you have the grey key buy the 556UW from DEI and put your spare key inside there and run the wires

moparman00 · Post by **moparman00** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:23 am

nope, I would just like to use a push button (momentary switch) for the ignition. But people say with the chipped key it needs to be in the ignition to start, but I don want to use a key in the car at all...

2003silverneonsxt · Post by **2003silverneonsxt** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:32 pm

u dont have to have the chipped key in the ignition to start it...there is a certian module thing u buy that u put withing 6-12 inches of the ignition and it sends the signal to the thing that the chip is there and the car can be started..

when i was installing my alarm, i thought my alarm was remote start too..so we got the module that u use to make the car think the chipped key is there, u just have to wire it in and it works....

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:35 pm

either way you can still use the 556UW, its cheap, easy to install wither you have a viper or nothing at all and its clean. you just have to give up a key

but now reading your second post i have another question... your using a button to supply power to the ignition circuit... the second you release that button the car will shut off.

unless your thinking in terms as a push button starter which is a completely different circuit than the ignition

moparman00 · Post by **moparman00** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:59 am

ok. I just want to push a button that I have mounted on the dash (momentary switch) to start the car... I have a toggle switch also to "arm or turn on the car" basicaly to simulate the key being in the on position...

excon · Post by **excon** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:59 am

there's a how-to somewhere... i'm not sure if it will work with skim key neon owners though...

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:18 am

yea i wrote it LOL it was for a push button starter, and the switch im guessing is for ignition that way he dosent have to use a key at all.

your going to have to use 3 or 4 relays then because there is 1 starter wire and depending on your year/model theres 2 or 3 ignition wires all have to be powered.

not to mention the additional 2 or 3 Accessory wires that have to be powered to so worst case that one switch has to trigger 6 relays

moparman00 · Post by **moparman00** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:01 pm

ok, well if you wouldnt mind writing up a little tutorial for me I would really apperciate it....its a 2000 Plymouth neon, 5 speed...And just for clarification, I just want a push button for the ignition, and a toggle switch to turn the power on for the car, the only thing I want a key for is the doors (just in case my RKE stops working) thanks!!!

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:08 pm

most of it is written already on the stickey. the only difference is how to wire everything which ill show you here

ok on a relay your going to have 5 prongs they are numbered as follows, 30, 85, 86, 87, 87a

now with the switch this is how each wire that is an ACC, or IGN wire is going to be wired to the relay. ALSO if you have 2 12v constants which i think you do one constant will power the ACC and the others will power the IGN's. you must use 2 switches and have one control your ignition circuits and one for accesory to fully simulate the key and to prevent damage to your accesories.

1) ok at the switch run one line to ground and the other line to #85 to each relay you want to trigger.

2) wire your ACC and IGN wires to a seperate 12v wire and tie these to both #86 AND #87 on each relay; if you have only 1 12v constant wire then its ok too

3) cut the wire being relayed, the side going to the key cylender goes to #87a and the one going toward the engine goes to #30

4) the button is wired the exact same way and it MUST be tied to the same 12v source as your IGN set of relays

Transponder Bypass 556UW:
wire it accodingly and use your IGN circuits to power the box

Starting Procedure:
flip your IGN switch to ON, start the car, flip your ACC switch.

Shutting down:
flip your ACC first and when you flip your ign your car will shut off.

dont forget to fuse your new lines also

moparman00 · Post by **moparman00** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:43 pm

thank you very much!!! the only thing is, i dont really understand any of it....as far as where what goes, what color what is? im not great with electrical. like i can make connections, but need to know exactly whats what....what type of relays? etc...

Craz1000 · Post by **Craz1000** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:06 am

your going to need a SPDT relay which is basically a standard 5-prong relay. be glad compared to my new car or most other cars the neons electrical system is simple, and it actually really is very simply designed