hid's and moderns projectors

mattern248 · Post by **mattern248** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:28 am

ok so i have a quick question cuz i have searched and read and searched some more and can't find what i need. so i see alot of neon's with retro hid projectors but i don't want retros i like the projector style modern has. but i noticed on the ones from modern have one projector and one regular bulb

but i would like to replace the second bulb with a projector.... is this possible with an hid kit or would i have to get to seperate hid kits?and if so what all do i need to make it work??? i would like to make them look like that was they were made.

fyi i only use my high beams when visiting my dad out in the country. but would like to use hid's has they burn cooler then silverstars do they get pretty hot lol. and please no stupid comments i get enoughas it is

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:56 pm

I'm a little confused by this one. You want a second projector for the high beam, yet you are asking if a HID would make it a projector?

Just to be clear...the projector refers to the type of lens the light travels through. You can put HIDs in both holes (with the right bulb of course) but only the low beam would be a projector.

The only way to get a projector on the high beam is to buy the headlights and cut them open and retro fit a projector into it. Then you could run HIDs in both. Providing you can find a projector that will fit.

mattern248 · Post by **mattern248** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:12 pm

your right on but i would like to "make" the regular bulb a projector lens also thus two projector lens' sorry for the confusion

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:19 pm

Is ok. Can you show me an example of a projector bulb? HIDs use a somewhat regular bulb, it's just configured differently. But it still isn't a projector.

mattern248 · Post by **mattern248** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:36 pm

ok i don't think i'm making sense but this is what i mean

here you go get what i mean now???

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:06 pm

I see what you are trying to do, but what you chopped from the other side is part of the headlamp housing itself, not the bulb. The low beam has the projector made into the headlight, and the high beam uses a regular reflector type housing. Like I said in the first post, you have to cut the lamp open and do exactlly what you did on the photchop, but in real life.

Then you can use either halogen or HID bulbs. But the lamp itself is where the projector part is.

I'm going to post up a picture of a projector when I get home for a visual aid as well, just in case.

mattern248 · Post by **mattern248** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:06 pm

sweet you get what i mean but do you think it will work i mean do you think it will fit???

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:31 pm

d the peice you photochopped isnt a bulb.. its just a lens.. like even with the projectors you still have bulbs.. i think your thinking that the part you chopped is a light.. its not its just a lens...

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:31 pm

d the peice you photochopped isnt a bulb.. its just a lens.. like even with the projectors you still have bulbs.. i think your thinking that the part you chopped is a light.. its not its just a lens...

mattern248 · Post by **mattern248** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:38 pm

no i know it's a lens but i would like a second lens on top of were the high beam is so i thus have two projectors per headlightunderstand what i am meaning know

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:30 pm

The hard part is finding a donor projector that small. Most cars have a fairly large projector housing.

For example, here is a set of projectors I have had for many years. It's out of a '91 or '92 Stealth.

For size comparisons, here is the 9005 bulb out of it...

Newer projectors are smaller, but not by much. The trouble is that if the lens is too small, the light quality suffers greatly. Your next challenge would be mounting them. But that a whole different challenge

nate-00neon · Post by **nate-00neon** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:18 pm

so to clearify...he can only have HIDs on the high beam area on the MP projectors that was pictured above?
correct me if im wrong lol

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:37 pm

No, he can run HIDs in both holes with the right kind of bulbs (i.e. H7 for the low, and a H1 for the high if that's what the high beam takes). Only the low beam (outer) will be a projector, while the high beam (inner) will be a regular reflector. He would get better light output and less glare from the low beam because it is in a projector since HIDs are designed to work in proper projectors.

mattern248 · Post by **mattern248** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:01 am

so by chance danteneon do you know what size projector might fit in there??? and don't most subies come with projectors?? not really sure but i have a local junkyard a can go digging in to find some projectors but need to know what types of cars to try and find them in you guys have been great help so for!!!!

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:16 am

I don't have a set of MPx headlamps, so I have no measurements for ya. As far as what fits, you will be in uncharted territory on that one

Like you said, take some time and look around the junkyards and see what is out there

Oh, before I forget...you do know that adding a projector to that housing will take some pretty involved fabrication work, right? They don't just drop in.

Mopar_Korean · Post by **Mopar_Korean** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:22 am

Adding HID for a high beam is a bad idea too. The HID ballast are not designed to be "flashed" or used for brief periods of time. It makes them cry inside

Do your homework http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:44 am

Hmmm. Good point, I forgot about that. If you are going to do a projector project you should just use a Silverstar as a bulb. Providing they make a bulb that fits it of course

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:50 am

There are guys on SRT forums that have done exactly what you're trying to do...their retrofit came out amazing. The projector quality in these ebay headlights is apparently pretty shitty

mattern248 · Post by **mattern248** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:53 pm

so i don't know if any one one here has an evo lol stupid question but if so can you give me the demensions of you'r projector from looking at my friends they look like they would work.... but here's the prblem...... getting ahold of some lol.... but there is a guy out here who has done stuff like this before and i must say looks damn good so i talked to him and he said he would help me out for free!!!! just cuz i will be the first out here!!! so now just need to get ahold of some good cheap projectors!!!!

LilSparkPlug · Post by **LilSparkPlug** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:58 pm

Good and Cheap don't belong in the same sentence with the word projectors. Good projectors are expensive, cheap projectors are what you have. Cheap projectors are never good. Thats just the way it goes. Check on SRTForums there are a few people who have done a retrofit on these headlights that have measurements for you.

mattern248 · Post by **mattern248** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:55 pm

ok Danteneon do you have the messerment on that projector you have???

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:06 pm

I can get it. But I'll tell you now it wont work for the idea you have. It would be better suited to a OE headlamp with a single bulb. The lens alone is about 2 1/2" in diameter, and overall length is about 4 to 5".

orangeblast05 · Post by **orangeblast05** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:09 pm

Adionik wrote:There are guys on SRT forums that have done exactly what you're trying to do...their retrofit came out amazing. The projector quality in these ebay headlights is apparently pretty shitty

ebay projectors and mpx projectors r the same.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:12 pm

Well, different lamps but pretty much the same projector quality.

orangeblast05 · Post by **orangeblast05** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:15 pm

same company makes the ones that ebay sells and mpx. that topic has been touch many times on srtforums.com

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:19 pm

I meant as far as the lamp lay out.

Ebay...

MPx...

The differences are small, mainly the LED lay out and inner housing style.

orangeblast05 · Post by **orangeblast05** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:22 pm

I was talking about the 03-05 projectors not the 00-02

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:40 pm

Ah. Go figure we would be talking about the lamps that each of our cars take

I hadn't even looked at the '03 +

mattern248 · Post by **mattern248** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:57 pm

orangeblast05 do you by chance know the measurments of the high beam socket? how many inches from the headlight lense to the outer part of the halo ring on the high beam? how big is you actual projector lense?

lot of Q's but the guy helping me build these is going to need them... thanks for all the help guys keep it comin

orangeblast05 · Post by **orangeblast05** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:19 pm

mmm nop sorry but u can go on srtforums.com and do some research there many people done the retro fitting and they look sick. if i had the money ill do it 2