GM-Chrysler merger or buyout? New story added

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:47 pm

well, even if gm and chrysler merge. gm has a hard time cutting jobs. if both automakers merge, gm will have to slash like 19,000 jobs which is a big no no and definately not good for the ecnomy. i dont think cerbeus will let that happen but who knows. officers in companies are stupid.

did you know hummer is on the auction block? gm bought the name and lost money with it. fucking losers. gm really needs some wiser people.

Trinity · Post by **Trinity** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:21 am

i'm scared about this. I dont wanna be nice to Cobalts lol

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:25 am

Hemi powered Camaro, GO!

Trinity · Post by **Trinity** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:37 pm

invujerry wrote:Hemi powered Camaro, GO!

... Challenger much?

Post by **racer12306** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:52 pm

Actually a hemi powered camaro is completely possible. And it will be all Chevy.

I'll let yall think about that for a bit.

titansxt · Post by **titansxt** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:57 pm

racer12306 wrote:Actually a hemi powered camaro is completely possible. And it will be all Chevy.

I'll let yall think about that for a bit.

Hemi refers to the motor itself, hemispherical combustion. What you should be asking is does it have a Hemi? Or does it have a hemi?

So is that what you were thinking?

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:53 pm

Trinity wrote:
invujerry wrote:Hemi powered Camaro, GO!
... Challenger much?

I'm talking about upgrading the Chevy with a Chrysler motor.

I'd love the 6-speed Challenger, but it's too expensive. I'll stick with my dumb neon for now.

bone-yard-racing · Post by **bone-yard-racing** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:28 pm

Almost dome shaped(5.7/6.1 hemis dont have hemispherical combustion chambers) combustion chambers arent all that hard to replicate and most 4v engines have them

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:54 pm

There is a hemi kit for a Big Block Chevy. It has more of a hemispherical chamber than the new hemi's

http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/071 ... index.html

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:42 am

putting a hemi in a chevy isnt right. period.

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:07 pm

racer12306 wrote:There is a hemi kit for a Big Block Chevy. It has more of a hemispherical chamber than the new hemi's

http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/071 ... index.html

The Neon S4RE motor is more hemi than the new Hemi

catalyst · Post by **catalyst** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:59 am

So what's the storry so far Midnight? Are all of our SRT4 Neons going to become even more of a collector's item?

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:41 am

A GM/Chrysler merger is just plain stupid. GM already has 4x as many dealers as it needs, this would make it worse. More over production, more medical to keep paying out the ass for. Severely overlapping product lines, WHY would anyone even consider this.

The best thing for Chrysler would be to get sold off to the Renault-Nissan enterprise. They're already product sharing, why not just take it a step further. Maybe use that extra capacity to build some decent compact Renaults over here.

And the caliber is as easy on the eyes as your ugly cousin.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:09 pm

Hey, I would stick it to my ugly cousin... if we weren't cousins, that is.

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:20 pm

fixitmattman wrote:A GM/Chrysler merger is just plain stupid. GM already has 4x as many dealers as it needs, this would make it worse. More over production, more medical to keep paying out the ass for. Severely overlapping product lines, WHY would anyone even consider this.

The best thing for Chrysler would be to get sold off to the Renault-Nissan enterprise. They're already product sharing, why not just take it a step further. Maybe use that extra capacity to build some decent compact Renaults over here.

And the caliber is as easy on the eyes as your ugly cousin.

So true on so many levels.

The next Nissan Titan is going to be a Dodge Ram rebadged anyways.

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:23 am

Well, if Chrysler needs to be sold out once again to foreigners, why not VW since Windsor is building their new minivan? The next time I see that stupid commerical with Brooke Shields bragging about the "German engineered suspension," I'm going to scream.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:12 am

When I see those commercials, I mute the TV and pretend Brooke Shields is talking dirty to me...

bstc00 · Post by **bstc00** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:31 am

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:03 pm

well.. the VW Minivan does have a German engineered suspension. Thats like the only thing the Germans changed from the Town and Country. It still handles like dogshit and the Honda and Toyota Minivans are a million times better.

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:30 am

Chrysler pulled out of the Getrag transmission plant being built in Tipton, IN and allpar.com is reporting that the Phoenix engine project (that would have used the Getrag tranny) has been cancelled. I've been reading news reports online that the "merger" talks between GM and Chrysler have been continuing but Cerberus wants GM's remaining share of GMAC and GM apparently is interested in Chrysler only for its cash reserves, not for the auto plants or car lines (except for Jeep). Things do not look good in Moparland at the moment. To be honest, I'm probably not the best person to be commenting on this story as I am pretty biased, my family having a personal stake in Chrysler's survival.

Post by **racer12306** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:01 am

My fiance's family has a personal stake in GM's survial too. I hope both companies stay a float regardless of the outcome with a merger.

Maddog · Post by **Maddog** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:47 pm

03neonSE wrote:putting a hemi in a chevy isnt right. period.

Agreed, but it's the only way you can upgrade a chevy...

Mopar_Korean · Post by **Mopar_Korean** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:53 pm

I was reading on Chrysler LLC that they share hybrid technology with GM, Benz, and BMW.

"Chrysler LLC, Mercedes-Benz, General Motors and BMW have joined forces to develop a full Hybrid Electric Vehicle (HEV) system."

http://www.chryslerllc.com/en/innovation/hybrid/

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:07 pm

That is correct. I just finished my test on the new Durango/Aspen Hybrids.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:18 pm

Maddog wrote:
03neonSE wrote:putting a hemi in a chevy isnt right. period.
Agreed, but it's the only way you can upgrade a chevy...

hahaha, or 22" wheels.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:16 am

UPDATE

i've been keeping tabs on the merger. no merger yet. the "bush" administration (sp) denyed the approval of $10bil needed for the merger. although, talks are still on between the 2 (gm-chrysler llc). there might be a merger after nov 4th election.

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:57 pm

The thing is their survival is almost guaranteed the gov't will not let foreign entities hold the plans to military equipment in the event we go to WW3 and need to build tanks and such in high quantities.

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:05 am

Illinois Chrysler plant offers worker buyouts
Associated Press
BELVIDERE, Ill. -- Chrysler is offering buyouts to all 2,600 employees at its northern Illinois assembly plant.

Spokesman Ed Saenz says offers are going out to 2,400 union workers and 200 administrative staff in Belvidere. He declined to say if Chrysler had a target for the number of employees it hopes will take the "voluntary separation packages."

The offers come amid an industrywide slump.

Chrysler's U.S. sales were down 35 percent in October compared to last year.

At the start of 2008, more than 3,700 people worked at the Belvidere plant. Chrysler reduced the work force by offering similar buyouts in spring. The plant also eliminated a third shift, cutting more than 1,000 workers.

Chrysler assembles the Dodge Caliber, Jeep Compass and Jeep Patriot in Belvidere.

I'm sure everyone already knows this but Belvidere was the home of our Neons and the Omni/Horizon before that.

Clark Howard Show wrote:Behind the $5 billion Cerberus bailout in auto world
If you were upset about the $700 billion bailout, get ready to really blow your top. Cerberus Capital Management, which owns Chrysler and a joint stake in GMAC, received a $5 billion bailout from the feds in the days leading up to the election. That's because GMAC -- the financing arm of GM -- had become a wounded duck thanks to a spate of foolish mortgage lending.

You may recall that Clark grudgingly condoned the $700 billion that aided Wall Street. So why, then, would be opposed to the $5 billion bailout for Cerberus? Simple -- their collapse would not present the same kind of "systemic risk."

The only reason they got money is because of who they are; they count former Vice President Dan Quayle among their ranks.

Cerberus next wants to engineer a merger of Chrysler and GM, which would require more taxpayer money. It's being marketed as a way to stop imminent job losses. No way, says Clark. If we allow them to merge with our money, the real purpose will be to help the fat cats at Cerberus. Workers will lose their jobs anyway; we're way oversupplied in the car market and have too many factories as well.

If you're an autoworker who's now mad at Clark, realize that he truly doesn't believe your jobs would be safe with a bailout. The bailout would be solely to save the wealthy influentials. Of course, Clark would love to have a Cerberus rep come on air and dispute what he's saying.

One last thought: What kind of example do we set for the rest of the world when we start bailing out losers with the money from the winners? That's crony capitalism, that's a Third World kind of capitalism.

Yes, it may seem like Clark has a split personality. He supported the financial bailout as a necessary evil -- after all, capitalism requires capital to function -- but he's opposed to the Cerberus bailout. But it's a whole different game when you're being asked to take care of an industrial organization that didn't manage itself well.

Italics mine.
Yeah, that last statement is courtesy of Daimler. I tried to call Howard while he was on the air but couldn't get through. Just as well- his comments about Chrysler workers losing their jobs anyway really got me p****d.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:07 pm

I just tossed the article, but in a nutshell...

The GM-Chrysler "merger" has been canceled. GM did not have the funding and the federal government would not provide money for the purchase. They also did not want to see the "merger" occur because of the loss of jobs that would result from said "merger". GM is now looking to fix their own financial problems.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:51 pm

and so is chrysler...

a gm and chrysler merger would of been a huge disaster (sp).