MPx 60MM tb on 05...anyone have any luck with it?

supertrick_05 · Post by **supertrick_05** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:11 am

I want to get an MPx 60MM TB, but they say it won't fit an '05. I heard some got it to work, but it's a "hit-n-miss". Anyone with an '05 and an MPx tb, please speak up!

Also, I am going to be installing a Magnum intake manifold...will that make the TB useable on my car?

LionheartedSXT · Post by **LionheartedSXT** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:23 pm

help us 05 neons out!

gilly02le · Post by **gilly02le** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:35 pm

i was told if you swap the throttle cable bracket, it will work fine, but i can't see how that would make any difference.

supertrick_05 · Post by **supertrick_05** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:41 pm

ah fuck it...I don't think the performance i'd get out of it would be worth it anyways.

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:47 pm

w/ NGC i don't really think you would see much if anything

supertrick_05 · Post by **supertrick_05** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:06 pm

naw, i'll spend my $280 elsewhere

2k1MotorSport · Post by **2k1MotorSport** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:17 pm

exactly

LionheartedSXT · Post by **LionheartedSXT** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:36 pm

supertrick_05 wrote:ah fuck it...I don't think the performance i'd get out of it would be worth it anyways.

supertrick_05 wrote:naw, i'll spend my $280 elsewhere

I feel you on that, but I mean if you find one for a steal it doesn't hurt to give it a shot...

Jerome Adams · Post by **Jerome Adams** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:41 pm

When I added my 60mm tb and my obx lth I picked up 7-8 hp and it was all above 4.5k rpm...and a few ft lbs of torque...not sure how much was the TB and how much was the LTH. (I am NOT an 05 though).

I heard the 05 computer is a little more picky...

excon · Post by **excon** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:52 pm

Save your money.

The stock tb is a little restrictive, and so are our little plastic manifolds, but unless you're putting down some serious power the tb and the magnum manifold will only give you a little.

Besides, it'll use a lot more gas. Anyone else discovered this too? Even though prices are "reasonable" right now at $3.39/gal

Post by **occasional demons** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:54 pm

excon wrote: Besides, it'll use a lot more gas. Anyone else discovered this too? Even though prices are "reasonable" right now at $3.39/gal

Hmmm. My gas mileage didn't really suffer any from using a ghetto IM and 65mm Mustang TB. If I keep my foot in it then yes it does drop a little, but if I drive normal, I can still get 400 miles to a tank.
I would think with NGC the mileage would do better, if it runs at all.
If you want cheap then do the 60 mm TB from Ford. If you're patient you can get one from ebay cheap. I paid $12 for mine. the adapter can be had from ebay, too. Just check BRR's thread for reference. There is also the 56mm Ford V6 TB from Summit (BBK), but you're over $200 for that. It is a bored unit from stock 49 or 50 mm IIRC. So getting a V6 TB from ebay won't do any good.

excon · Post by **excon** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:00 pm

If you're patient you can get one from ebay cheap. I paid $12 for mine. the adapter can be had from ebay, too. Just check BRR's thread for reference. There is also the 56mm Ford V6 TB from Summit (BBK), but you're over $200 for that. It is a bored unit from stock 49 or 50 mm IIRC. So getting a V6 TB from ebay won't do any good.

I got my MPx UDP for $12.50 on ebay. new.

LionheartedSXT · Post by **LionheartedSXT** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:56 am

^^^ now that is a bad ass deal...

Jerome Adams · Post by **Jerome Adams** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:59 am

excon wrote:Save your money.

The stock tb is a little restrictive, and so are our little plastic manifolds, but unless you're putting down some serious power the tb and the magnum manifold will only give you a little.

Besides, it'll use a lot more gas. Anyone else discovered this too? Even though prices are "reasonable" right now at $3.39/gal

All bolt ons for our cars only add a little. By that rationale the only mod that is worth anything is turbo, and while some may feel that is true, not all of us can swing a turbo set up no matter how badly we would like one.

excon · Post by **excon** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:24 am

All I'm saying is if you're going N/A, do the things that take the restriction off your engine first: CAI, Exhaust, UDP. That'll give you more power and better milage since you're not always accelerating everywhere we go...

Jerome Adams · Post by **Jerome Adams** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:12 pm

I agree but according to his sig, he already has CAI and exhaust. UDP would be better than the 60mm TB if funds are limited...if not get em both.

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:13 pm

Jerome Adams wrote:By that rationale the only mod that is worth anything is turbo, and while some may feel that is true, not all of us can swing a turbo set up no matter how badly we would like one.

Keep in mind, there are also tuning issues with a turbo ..... you can't 'just throw one on' (especially on an NGC) and not expect some issues....

- Nick

Post by **racer12306** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:50 pm

The only issue with an NGC and a bigger throttle body is the fact that the map values will be out of parameter and throw a code.

The NGC will utilize the extra air, but only if it needs it. If an engine doesn't need the extra air it won't make extra power.

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:18 am

racer12306 wrote:The only issue with an NGC and a bigger throttle body is the fact that the map values will be out of parameter and throw a code.

The NGC will utilize the extra air, but only if it needs it. If an engine doesn't need the extra air it won't make extra power.

Prolly why the 60mm TB isn't seen as a big increase. The "driveability window " is a lot narrower. Giving it too much throttle only results in the engine bogging. I think there are gains there, it is just a matter of relearning what the engine will handle at the given load/rpm.
If a 60mm TB could be run with e-throttle, I'd bet the PCM could get more power out of it than our foot, as it would keep the MAP values within the parameters needed to put down the torque.

bluesxt05 · Post by **bluesxt05** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:47 pm

I have a modern performance 60mm t/b on my 05. It runs fine but i do agree, with the ngc, if you just stab it real fast it kinda bogs first then starts to pull but if you ease all the way in it pulls smooth. But it does seem that all my power is on top end after 45k.

Jerome Adams · Post by **Jerome Adams** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:11 pm

how did you get NGC to rev to 45,000 rpm?

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:26 pm

bluesxt05 wrote:I have a modern performance 60mm t/b on my 05. It runs fine but i do agree, with the ngc, if you just stab it real fast it kinda bogs first then starts to pull but if you ease all the way in it pulls smooth. But it does seem that all my power is on top end after 45k.

There is such a thing as too much air. Thus causing a bog. It's not the computers fault.

supertrick_05 · Post by **supertrick_05** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:27 pm

Yeah, I ordered an eBay udp and should be here soon. I also have to get the necessary belts.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:46 pm

i just fabricated my own throttle body out of an srt throttle body. Had it ported to a full 55mm and then fabbed all the rest myself. Best mod i ever put in to increase throttle response.

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:38 pm

kevo wrote:i just fabricated my own throttle body out of an srt throttle body. Had it ported to a full 55mm and then fabbed all the rest myself. Best mod i ever put in to increase throttle response.

Great idea !!

Would you have any pics ??

- Nick

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:15 pm

NickKo wrote:
kevo wrote:i just fabricated my own throttle body out of an srt throttle body. Had it ported to a full 55mm and then fabbed all the rest myself. Best mod i ever put in to increase throttle response.
Great idea !!

Would you have any pics ??

- Nick

Damn comedians!

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NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:15 pm

occasional demons wrote:
NickKo wrote:
kevo wrote:i just fabricated my own throttle body out of an srt throttle body. Had it ported to a full 55mm and then fabbed all the rest myself. Best mod i ever put in to increase throttle response.
Great idea !!

Would you have any pics ??

- Nick

Damn comedians!

viewtopic.php?t=30110&start=0&postdays= ... t=srt+55mm

Yes...... the wheels are still turning (grinding??) in my head..... slowly......

Thank you for the cross-link back to that thread.

- Nick

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:21 am

NickKo wrote:
kevo wrote:i just fabricated my own throttle body out of an srt throttle body. Had it ported to a full 55mm and then fabbed all the rest myself. Best mod i ever put in to increase throttle response.
Great idea !!

Would you have any pics ??

- Nick

hmm sorry, i forgot about this thread. As i said in the previous thread, you are better off trying to retrofit another, cheaper throttle body to your car. With some finess, the old jeep throttle bodies will work for your 2000.

The srt solution is really only viable for people that really want an aftermarket throttle body for their ngc neon. The price after porting and machining the spacer is going to be near or more expensive than an aftermarket 60mm throttle body.

lolelectricbluesxt · Post by **lolelectricbluesxt** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:44 pm

05 neon crew with a dirty engine bay and mpx tb represent