Spark plugs and Oil issue

my02neon · Post by **my02neon** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:25 pm

Well today i was ridin home from work and about 15min later my car started losing power slowly to where i can only go 20 mph and started to sound like one of those harley bikes.So when i got home i took off the TB off da manifold and all dis white smoke came out, waited for it 2 clear and all i saw was a big puddle of oil like enough to fill up a 4 oz cup. Then I got a p0301 code so i went to go check all spark plugs and this is what 1 & 2 looked like:

3&4 looked good, and it idles at 1300 for whike and starts climbin on its own.And one of the tubes on my headers starts glowin red after 3 mins of runnin.

Has any 1 else had this problem?

LionheartedSXT · Post by **LionheartedSXT** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:23 am

When was the last time you had a tune up?? Or better yet, when was the last time you changed your plugs?

my02neon · Post by **my02neon** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:28 am

I had switch to these about 4 days ago.

LionheartedSXT · Post by **LionheartedSXT** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:34 am

Just asking but were they installed properly, cuz there was another thread about this spark plug blow out, except there plug flew out from the hole...

That is weird, not really sure I can help on that one...what brand were the plugs btw?

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:35 am

Geez that's pretty catastrophic. Don't do that next time.

gilly02le · Post by **gilly02le** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:22 am

Dude, Those spark plugs you were using, are for an srt-4 and not a base model neon.

2.0sohc - 14mm thread, 19mm reach, 6-heat range
model# BKR6E

2.4dohc - 14mm thread, 25mm reach, 6-heat range.
model# LZTR5A-13

The plugs you were using are a full 6mm longer then the originals, and frankly i wouldn't be surprised if the pistons broke off your spark plugs.

Oil in the intake manifold is normal, why do you think 75% of us are running oil catch cans. Poor pcv design. New pcv valve helps($5), or a 95-99 style valve cover will eliminate the problem, but costs more to do.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:38 am

It's your car trying to kill itself from the body kit

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:08 pm

Yeah, those are definitely the wrong plugs. The correct plugs like was mentioned above are significantly shorter.

I'm surprised it took this long to be a problem.

my02neon · Post by **my02neon** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:10 pm

Adionik wrote:It's your car trying to kill itself from the body kit

U mean this kit:

gilly02le: I kinda thought they were too long, I got them from AZ. They had a new guy their, So if the spark plugs broke off inside the motor what r the chances of the 2 tips of the spark plugs messing up the eternals?

slow2.0ts13 · Post by **slow2.0ts13** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:14 pm

my02neon wrote:
Adionik wrote:It's your car trying to kill itself from the body kit
U mean this kit:

yeah i think thats the one...

my02neon wrote:I kinda thought they were too long, I got them from AZ. They had a new guy their, So if the spark plugs broke off inside the motor what r the chances of the 2 tips of the spark plugs messing up the eternals?

your car and spelling stinks of phailurez.

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:19 pm

Seriously people, this is bullshit.

His car isn't my style, but you don't see me digging into the guy for his style.

His spelling may be off, but atleast you can comprehend what he is trying to say. Unlike so many others here.

latief · Post by **latief** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:27 pm

^^^^ +1

This is a serious issue, i would go back to whoever sold you the sparkplugs, and show him what just happened. there is a possibility of engine damage because of this.

change the plugs, and put the correct ones in, and then see what happens. i am trying to think where the metal pieces will go. maybe leave the engine through the exhaust valves?

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:29 pm

i'd want to pull the head first and make sure the electrodes weren't still in the bore. They will cause hell on your cylinder walls.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:32 pm

racer12306 wrote:Seriously people, this is bullshit.

His car isn't my style, but you don't see me digging into the guy for his style.

His spelling may be off, but atleast you can comprehend what he is trying to say. Unlike so many others here.

If you don't have anything constructive to add to the thread, don't post. Trolls are for other sites.

Edit: You prolly won't get any compensation from AZ as they will use the why didn't you check the parts before you installed them?
Hopefully nothing is damaged, and you can just write it off as a learning experience. Always compare new to old. And pray one of them is correct.

latief · Post by **latief** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:35 pm

racer12306 wrote:i'd want to pull the head first and make sure the electrodes weren't still in the bore. They will cause hell on your cylinder walls.

do you think something so fragile will have significant impact on the cylinders/ bores? wouldn't they be sucked-out through the exhaust valves?

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:41 pm

Eventually they would, but those little pieces can hammer a lot of area before they do. Hopefully they just melted off. Can't tell from the pics.

my02neon · Post by **my02neon** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:08 pm

to me it looks like they melted but on one of the SP the center electrode is missing also. anyways i switched back to the platinum's SP which i know its a big no no, but they were the only ones good. Started it up and it still sounds like a harley, Cyl 1,2 &3 are sparkin #4 barely sparks. I have the MSD coil pack with the Granatelli SPW.I switched back to my stocks and it does the same thing.

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:17 pm

find a set of coppers before you start troubleshooting.

LionheartedSXT · Post by **LionheartedSXT** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:19 pm

latief wrote:
racer12306 wrote:i'd want to pull the head first and make sure the electrodes weren't still in the bore. They will cause hell on your cylinder walls.
do you think something so fragile will have significant impact on the cylinders/ bores? wouldn't they be sucked-out through the exhaust valves?

Well this is just me thinking here, but even though they are tiny, they are still pieces of metal, and at the rate and speed the pistons move at, it would be fairly easy to damage the cylinder wall after constant up and down motion, but yea eventually they should leave through the exhaust valves...hopefully...

Donkeypuncher · Post by **Donkeypuncher** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:07 pm

my02neon wrote:3&4 looked good, and it idles at 1300 for whike and starts climbin on its own.And one of the tubes on my headers starts glowin red after 3 mins of runnin.

That makes me think they already got sucked out, and may have damaged the exhaust valve. I'm pretty sure the header shouldn't glow like that.

I would do a compression check.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:16 pm

Check to see if the cat is glowing red as well. Some of the metal may have gotten to it. Even a small blockage will cause the exhaust to be restricted enough to case the car to run like crap. If it is getting red, you will need a cat.

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:19 pm

my02neon wrote:to me it looks like they melted but on one of the SP the center electrode is missing also. anyways i switched back to the platinum's SP which i know its a big no no, but they were the only ones good.

Go get generic copper plugs for a couple dollars.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:58 pm

I was just keeding, but that really sucks man. Hope it gets fixed.

my02neon · Post by **my02neon** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:00 pm

Well last night when i turned on the car i let run and the tube started turnin red, but when i rev-ed it from the TB the glow went away but the idle stayed at 2 grand.

Oh and i check the cat also that never turned red.

asanti · Post by **asanti** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:46 pm

You might want to check your vacuum lines while you're at it. That might cause the high idle too. Just a thought.

Later
Allex

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:27 am

My best guess now is that the debris may be stuck to the exhaust valve that the tube is glowing. For a quick dirty compression test, pull the plug wires and crank it over, it should sound consistent in cranking speed. If there is a compression leak in one cyl., it will speed up momentarily. It will prolly sound like one is hitting harder due to the previous one being easier on the starter.
Theory:
The reason why the tube glows is due to the fuel burning on it's way out the valve, due to it being slightly open on the compression cycle. Chances are if it is run like that for too long it willl cause damage to the valve/seat.

Donkeypuncher · Post by **Donkeypuncher** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:12 pm

That's exactly what I was thinking, unburned fuel passing through the valve. This could ruin the O2 sensor and melt the cat as well.

my02neon · Post by **my02neon** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:23 pm

Well i did a compression test and the results:

cyl 1 - none
cyl 2 -151
cyl 3 -151
cyl 4 -151