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boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:40 pm

This is what Ron Paul said, i thought it was interesting

but back to obama's plan...its pretty logical - and quite simple - if you thinka bout it. Not necessarily in this particular order:

1) create a crisis...oh, say, for example, crash the economy through deflation and hyper-inflation and implode the dollar (There are whispers of the fed demonetizing the US dollar as early as next spring, by the way), which will cause enormous unrest, high food prices, people forced out of thier homes (see tent cities popping up in southern CA already), and people turning on each other; meanwhile the government will default on all of its payments to other countries (china) who purchased government bonds. The economy will crash. Its just a matter of time

2) at some point, implement a program that forces people into mandatory military service (there are various reasons why this would be smart for any would be dictator). See here: http://www.infowars.com/?p=5828 and here http://www.politicallore.com/images/change.jpg (a screenshot of obamas site... you will need to click to enlarge it and read it.

3) as civil unrest turns ugly - like looting, murder, arson, breakdown of social norms in general - due to the economic crash that is coming our way, a dictator can justify th eneed to have military personelle policing the streets. You know...help the police keep order. (I still think this would be enormously difficult for the military to do, just in terms of overall numbers...numerically its impossible. But perhaps in terms of the ultra high tech military weapons (including bio weapons) it may be possibly, but i dont know. In my honest opinion i tend to think it would be impossible.

4) anyway, when this happens, they will say they need to disarm the people to ensure the safety of all citizens; they may even say something like turn in your weapons and you will get a food voucher from your local friendly FEMA regional coordinator. (its very possible, and even likely, by the way, that food shortage will occur and you will see a drastic rise in food prices as a result at some point.) Then when they have all the guns, and control the flow of food, the people will be at their mercy. And anybody that reissit anywhere along the way, will be the ones rounded up and thrown in to the FEMA camps (if, in fact, they actually exist)

For a clearer picture about the implementation of martial law, check out any youtube video by Naomi Wolf regarding the "10 steps" she gives to create a cascist dictatorship. I think she says that we have checked off all these 10 items in the US, so everything is in place now. It now becomes a waiting game. But we will really just have to wait and see.

For more stuff on how bad the economy is looking, here is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPXpZ6hQkY

discuss

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:21 pm

blah blah blah conspiracy this conspiracy that.. i wonder if this dude sleeps with his tin foil hat on.

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:30 pm

LOL. Cobalt drivers are freaking nuts.

mopar4life · Post by **mopar4life** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:38 pm

Conspiracy nut jobs. Ive got my rifle, my shotgun and my 4 wheel drive, this country boy will survive or move to Australia.....

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:40 pm

in no way do i agree with what it said lol, i just posted it for conversation

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:11 am

Politics, Religion and Race aren't really a good thing to talk about.

jT · Post by jT » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:19 am

boostinss wrote: 3) as civil unrest turns ugly - like looting, murder, arson, breakdown of social norms in general - due to the economic crash that is coming our way, a dictator can justify th eneed to have military personelle policing the streets. You know...help the police keep order.

Starting October 1 the US Army's First Brigade Combat Team of the Third Division has been assigned to NorthCom (northern command) to assist in emergencies, disasters, and potentially during civil unrest.

Operation Garden Plot is a U.S. Army and National Guard plan to respond to major domestic civil disturbances within the United States and is now under the control of the U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM).

Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, is a plan by the United States federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens in case of civil unrest or national emergency.

There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States

government is ready to rock and roll on our asses.. theres no conspiracy when its true. the rest of you need to open your eyes and stop thinking that we are in the land of the free and everything is a-ok in america and that the government is our friend.

welchspro · Post by **welchspro** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:19 am

WOW....some interesting posts have been going on lately.

Personally...I have way more important things in life to worry about. Final projects to finish up, graduation to look forward to, how to manage my bank account more effectively, getting married to my fiancee...etc etc etc.

jT, Your post about prison camps intrigued me, so I did a quick search to see what the hell you were talking about. Maybe you can provide me with some factual information? Of the websites I ran across, one was talking about a zionist army taking over America, another based its claims on a premonition made by some woman that described the downfall of society, and the rest were either VERY bored or just bat-shit crazy and provided many claims with NO FACTS.

Anyways, it's late and I need to study more FACTS about REAL shit, so I can write an educated paper that WON'T be instantly thrown away by my professor.

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:11 am

welchspro wrote:WOW....some interesting posts have been going on lately.

Personally...I have way more important things in life to worry about. Final projects to finish up, graduation to look forward to, how to manage my bank account more effectively, getting married to my fiancee...etc etc etc.

jT, Your post about prison camps intrigued me, so I did a quick search to see what the hell you were talking about. Maybe you can provide me with some factual information? Of the websites I ran across, one was talking about a zionist army taking over America, another based its claims on a premonition made by some woman that described the downfall of society, and the rest were either VERY bored or just bat-shit crazy and provided many claims with NO FACTS.

Anyways, it's late and I need to study more FACTS about REAL shit, so I can write an educated paper that WON'T be instantly thrown away by my professor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNy9Pit2Fj8

jT · Post by jT » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:17 am

factual information.. hmm.. i dont know if there really is any factual information.. i mean, to prove any of the information out there you would need confirmation from people who actually know the truth.. otherwise with as much evidence that there is it is still theory, conspiracy, whatever...

the government isnt going to admit (and prove to us for the sake of factual information) that they are planning any of this.. but i believe that the sole existence of these plans is all the fact we need.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2344
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59023/pg1
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FE ... 3sep04.htm
this one ^ lists alleged concentration camp locations..
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... a&aid=3010
but all these links basically copy the same paragraph of information... but the sites themselves will have other stuff to read

and then just googling rex84 or rex 84, operation garden plot, operation cable splicer (turns over all state and federal law enforcement to FEMA), executive orders such as those listed on the mindfully.org website and here in nicer listing

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... ive_Orders

example:

executive order 11051--Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control in case of "National Emergency").

hmm.. sounds like thats already happening.. just a coincidence in timing that NorCom has its own army brigade to use now?

Anyways, it's late and I need to study more FACTS about REAL shit, so I can write an educated paper that WON'T be instantly thrown away by my professor.

this is all REAL shit.. you just have to do the research..

bone-yard-racing · Post by **bone-yard-racing** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:41 am

"factual information.. hmm.. i dont know if there really is any factual information"

Case closed lets stop wasting time

"the government isnt going to admit (and prove to us for the sake of factual information) that they are planning any of this.. "

Wow the worlds largest superpower dosent want to post anything about their super cool new plans in the new york times where the population of this country (3/4 of which is made up of complete fucking retards and crazy people) can read about it and make the leaps to shit like this.

Your websites dont list sources(sources in your own publication written by you dont count) and the few that are listed dont work in terms of the links.

You are freaked out about executive orders? Here is a list of all that have been signed under GWB:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/orders/

How about your "smart" friend talks to his conspiracy theory friends and maybe you guys can "stop" the removal of the Bill of Rights that is happening all around us instead of jumping to conclusions about these "prison camps"(most of them are Military bases and State/Local prisons)

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:50 am

bone-yard-racing wrote:"factual information.. hmm.. i dont know if there really is any factual information"

Case closed lets stop wasting time

"the government isnt going to admit (and prove to us for the sake of factual information) that they are planning any of this.. "

Wow the worlds largest superpower dosent want to post anything about their super cool new plans in the new york times where the population of this country (3/4 of which is made up of complete fucking retards and crazy people) can read about it and make the leaps to shit like this.

Your websites dont list sources(sources in your own publication written by you dont count) and the few that are listed dont work in terms of the links.

You are freeked out about executive orders? Here is a list of all that have been signed under GWB:http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/orders/

How about your "smart" friend talks to his conspiracy theory friends and maybe you guys can "stop" the removal of the Bill of Rights that is happening all around us instead of jumping to conclusions about these "prison camps"(most of them are Military bases and State/Local prisons)

So freaky.

I laugh at that link about the prison camps too. Thats just out there.

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:08 pm

This is what my Aunt had to say about it, she is a Psychology Professor at UW Madison.

This is CRAZY, and not at all factual! One of the biggest issues with the
internet is that it allows individuals to play on the emotions and ignorance
(not being in the know) of others. By spreading propaganda and pure nonsense
it builds up an emotional response that gets people to take action. This is a
ploy to play upon
peoples ignorance and inability to critically think through
information for themselves. Our country never rests completely in the hands of
our President, that would not be a democracy - that would be a dictatorship.
What is the definition of a democracy, a government of the people, by the
people, for the people. If someone honestly thinks that 1 person would ever
gain complete control over all of our resources (including all 3 branches of
government) - that person is not logically thinking this through. We have 3
branches of government which work together to make our nation what it is, we are
guided by a constitution which protects the rights of all citizens and that
includes the takeover from a tyrannical leader. If you critically and logically
think through this issue you have to look at history. When have we ever had a
president who took over the US and became a dictator - enforced laws which were
not for the
benefit of all (or most) of the people! We have never had this and
we never will. No-one fears the President (it is not how the US works), some
group would rise up and take that person out of power before all of this doom
and gloom could ever grab hold in such a horrific way. There have been
presidents taken out of power for far less in the past! Do you think that all
of congress would be in on such a conspiracy? Do you honestly think that the
people we elect in our own districts in all 50 states would ever sit back and
just allow 1 person to do whatever they want to do? It is precisely this
dispersement of power which would not allow for ALL of these fears to come to
fruition. The way Austin reacted is how they WANT people to react. The people
who created this crap are trying to use fear to move people to action -
aren't they doing exactly what they are saying Obama would do. These people
have not based any of
this in fact, except to point to information taken
completely out of context. They are giving people only partial information and
supplementing it with their own fears and then trying to sell it to the masses
to get them to keep the ball rolling. They are telling people what TO think
instead of allowing them to think for themselves. Please do not allow yourself
to be sucked in or brainwashed by the influence of others you do not even know.
As a college instructor I have seen way too many students rely on the
"false" information of the internet as a solid basis of their ideas.
If I can teach a college student nothing else, I hope I can at least teach them
to know how to find the facts. I can assure you that you will not find all of
the facts on the internet; anyone. anywhere, at any time can post to the
internet! Once again, you must be able to sort fact from fiction - you need to
search through history to see
where the US EVER allowed someone to have that
much power over all things. I suggest that you sit down with a good book about
"Critical Thought" and leave the random e-mail messages and youtubes
messages where they belong - as a means of entertainment - not as a means to
disperse factual; critically well developed arguments that scholars would come
up with could rip this stuff apart in seconds, it is not worth the breath it
takes to blow it away!

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:15 pm

Meh, Reptiods already have us under their control.

jT · Post by jT » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:04 pm

what is actually funny (sad) here is the only defense that you non-believers can come up with is "that is crazy" or "you are nuts", or some form of insult. nobody is posting up .gov links disproving anything or offering any information or thought to the contrary other than insult. you have no intelligent argument to make.

even the professor auntie offers an OPINION without any fact to support it.. would congress just let 1 guy have all the power? well basically yes, for the last 8 years we've seen it. as far as taking over all the resources -- the executive orders listed on 1 site already take over mostly everything -- and the president does not need congress to enact executive orders .. so there is your dictator.

people are going to disbelieve even when there is evidence right in front of them.. and they will still deny even when its point blank happening to them.. so these arguments really are useless to get into.

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:05 am

Good post boostinss.

Some people are indeed NUTS.

I see there are some in my state:

Leavenworth - US Marshal's Fed Holding Facility, US Penitentiary, Federal Prison Camp, McConnell Air Force Base. Federal death penalty facility. Concordia - WWII German POW camp used to exist at this location but there is no facility there at this time. Ft. Riley - Just north of Interstate 70, airport, near city of Manhattan. El Dorado - Federal prison converted into forced-labor camp, UNICOR industries. Topeka - 80 acres has been converted into a temporary holding camp.

So whats going to happen JT? What actions should I take? I don't want to be a slave.

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:15 am

jT wrote:what is actually funny (sad) here is the only defense that you non-believers can come up with is "that is crazy" or "you are nuts", or some form of insult. nobody is posting up .gov links disproving anything or offering any information or thought to the contrary other than insult. you have no intelligent argument to make.

even the professor auntie offers an OPINION without any fact to support it.. would congress just let 1 guy have all the power? well basically yes, for the last 8 years we've seen it. as far as taking over all the resources -- the executive orders listed on 1 site already take over mostly everything -- and the president does not need congress to enact executive orders .. so there is your dictator.

people are going to disbelieve even when there is evidence right in front of them.. and they will still deny even when its point blank happening to them.. so these arguments really are useless to get into.

No one is replying with facts to disprove it because you have not provided FACTS to prove it.

Why disprove something that isn't proven in the first place?

Catch my drift...

And just for grins... that is NUTS.

jT · Post by jT » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:33 am

LowNSlow wrote: No one is replying with facts to disprove it because you have not provided FACTS to prove it.

Why disprove something that isn't proven in the first place?

these operations are a fact. they exist. you cant disprove that.

the framework of carrying everything out has been built into the government in one way or another, that is a fact. you cant disprove that.

it would take a single executive order to start the entire thing, without the need for congress or anyone's approval, that is a fact. you cant disprove that.

you cant provide anything to disprove because none exists-- the base material is all facts. the only thing left to theorize about is what it will be used for.. and with more and more stuff pointing in one direction its insane of you to ignore the evidence, not for me to believe it.

LowNSlow arent you in the military? have they forced you to take an RFID chip yet? if not, when they do come back and let us all know... that will be relevant also.

jT · Post by jT » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:59 am

some good reading

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5129

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5129

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:02 am

jT wrote:
LowNSlow wrote: No one is replying with facts to disprove it because you have not provided FACTS to prove it.

Why disprove something that isn't proven in the first place?
these operations are a fact. they exist. you cant disprove that.

the framework of carrying everything out has been built into the government in one way or another, that is a fact. you cant disprove that.

it would take a single executive order to start the entire thing, without the need for congress or anyone's approval, that is a fact. you cant disprove that.

you cant provide anything to disprove because none exists-- the base material is all facts. the only thing left to theorize about is what it will be used for.. and with more and more stuff pointing in one direction its insane of you to ignore the evidence, not for me to believe it.

LowNSlow arent you in the military? have they forced you to take an RFID chip yet? if not, when they do come back and let us all know... that will be relevant also.

Yes and No....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/08/dod_rfid/

slow2.0ts13 · Post by **slow2.0ts13** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:57 am

Theres no such thing as factual information to me unless I see it.

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:25 am

slow2.0ts13 wrote:Theres no such thing as factual information to me unless I see it.

Exactly... jt is saying there are facts because we can't disprove it... but what is there to disprove? There is no solid facts to disprove.

bone-yard-racing · Post by **bone-yard-racing** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:32 am

jT wrote:
LowNSlow wrote: No one is replying with facts to disprove it because you have not provided FACTS to prove it.

Why disprove something that isn't proven in the first place?
these operations are a fact. they exist. you cant disprove that.

In most cases they are military bases and prisons

the framework of carrying everything out has been built into the government in one way or another, that is a fact. you cant disprove that.

The "framework" of destroying the world is in the government as well, do you think they are going to do it?

it would take a single executive order to start the entire thing, without the need for congress or anyone's approval, that is a fact. you cant disprove that.

IF they try this for just about any reason the millions of people in the country who arent going to be too thrilled about it will revolt. The bulk of the population of this country can defeat its military, strength in numbers

you cant provide anything to disprove because none exists-- the base material is all facts. the only thing left to theorize about is what it will be used for..

I think they will be used to make peanut butter and so we can clone Taylor Swift(personal request there). Anybody take a minute to think that since we are pissing so many of the worlds people off right now it is plausiable to think that we may be invaded in the near future and that these are POW camps?and with more and more stuff pointing in one direction its insane of you to ignore the evidence, not for me to believe it.

LowNSlow arent you in the military? have they forced you to take an RFID chip yet? if not, when they do come back and let us all know... that will be relevant also.

jT · Post by jT » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:09 pm

LowNSlow wrote:
slow2.0ts13 wrote:Theres no such thing as factual information to me unless I see it.
Exactly... jt is saying there are facts because we can't disprove it... but what is there to disprove? There is no solid facts to disprove.

i mean the fact that these plans (rex 84, operation cable splicer, etc) all exist. that is a fact. the only thing to prove or disprove is what they will be used for. so unless the government just sits around dreaming up operations for no good reason .......

why would northern command need an army combat brigade to assist law enforcement? why now? with all the other "evidence" and the timing of it the possibilities are worrisome.

and i think its a little absurd to think that the population can defeat the military if there was a revolt. it would be the equivalent of the original native americans trying to defeat the modern military.. we would have some hand guns and riffles.. and they would have tanks, planes, ships, satellites, etc.

look.. the above mentioned plans state point blank that civil unrest from financial economic crisis could be the start of it.. and what we going through right now? economic crisis.. what if obama gets assassinated JFK style? uh oh.

even if you disbelieve everything you read, you have to admit that the pieces are in place. the government is "getting ready" for this to happen.

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:42 pm

What are they getting ready for? And when do you think this is going to happen..and what exactly is planned to happen?

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:04 pm

my tin foil hat gets excellent tv reception

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:43 am

MyNeonSaysHi wrote:What are they getting ready for? And when do you think this is going to happen..and what exactly is planned to happen?

Off topic

Your Avatar is hilarious! i honestly just watched it and laughed for 5mins.

/off topic

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:08 am

interesting eh, just chewing away. We are already int he off-topic. Lets start talking about aliens and crop circles.

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:25 am

My boss would stick his weiner in that thing. yeah, I work for some strange ones. But it's all good.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:25 pm

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