Brand new Throw Out Bearing noise with Videos now

danman132x · Post by **danman132x** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:54 pm

I just got my new clutch and TOB installed, and now it makes a rattleing type sound when the clutch is released in any gear, and parked in neutral. The noise goes away when the clutch is pushed in, and you can hear the normal "whirring" when the clutch is pushed in. It only rattles when the clutch is released.
Do brand new throw out bearing normally have a break in period before they are silent? I'm hoping I didnt get a defective new bearing. Other than that the clutch engages fine, but im taking it easy, no going past 4K rpms for the first 500 miles.

thttxboy · Post by **thttxboy** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:53 am

you know I just had my clutch and throw out bearing installed like 2 weeks ago and ive put like 700 miles on since then. I have alwayz babied the clutch and I still got that noise. what clutch did u put it??

latief · Post by **latief** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:03 am

This comes to mind .....

viewtopic.php?t=26856

Ask BlackRoseRacing, he is the resident expert on this, and he investigated the whole issue.....i just cannot find the thread where he did that ......

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:08 am

The throw out bearing is fine. It would make noises with the pedal depressed if it wasn't. That's when there is a load on the bearing. If you didn't have this issue before the clutch install, I doubt it is the tranni.
Latief makes a good piont, but possibly the pedal needs adjusted, tho it is a long shot, there may be too much clearance somehow between the lever/TOB/clutch fingers letting it vibrate with the clutch out.
IDK the TOB should pull away from the clutch fingers to keep it from spinning 100% of the time. If there was ony a way to get a camera in there to see WTF is going on. The problem may have been there before, but since you cleaned up the shaft and lubed it maybe it moves too well now?
link to clutch install if anyone can see something.... viewtopic.php?t=36859

danman132x · Post by **danman132x** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:11 am

I put the PT cruiser clutch in. These are the only two pics I have of after I installed the TOB

The TOB is a Mopar Piece. I didn't have the noise before, and it goes away when the clutch is pushed in. I'm thinking there is a little play when the clutch is released making it rattle some, and having the shaft lubed slightly is making it slide even easier than before. Other than the noise, the new clutch is smooth as butter, unlike my stock unit which chattered when cold, or trying to do "slow" starts. I have read the entire thread about the noisy tranny, but I don't think thats the issue, especially so soon. I installed the PT clutch regardless.

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:21 pm

danman132x wrote: I installed the PT clutch regardless.

As will I, when the time comes.

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:27 pm

You sure it's the TOB rattling around and not the actuator lever?

danman132x · Post by **danman132x** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:29 pm

Wouldn't know the difference. Could I wiggle the actuator lever around from the outside to check it?

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:34 pm

You may have to remove the slave to get to it, but it's worth a try.

danman132x · Post by **danman132x** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:51 pm

One thing just popped into my mind, and it goes along with the release fork. When I removed it, you can see the ball it rests on.

It's the little white colored ball. Well anyways, When I had the fork off, I pushed the little seal around it back some to make it fit on there snug again because it looked like it was coming off. You can tell in the picture where the seal used to rest, and where I pushed it back to. Maybe its rattleing now because the seal isnt touching the fork itself, and may take some time to work its way back up. This is just an idea though, and getting to it would require me to pull the entire transmission off again..

patiofurnituregt · Post by **patiofurnituregt** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:44 am

I have an SRT tranny and it makes the same kind of rattling/ whurring noise and have not been able to figure out what's causing it. Like you said it goes away when you depress the clutch, but in neutral it still makes the noise. I have noticed that with hard down shifts it makes a really wierd grindy/ slipping noise.
I replaced the clutch once after 1,600 miles because the clip for the little plastic ball broke so the fork was out of place and caused the care to shake really bad. I thought that was what was causing the rattling/ whurring noise at idle, but just to be sure I also replaced the clutch fork, because it engage really close to the floor. (I read somewhere that the clutch fork mating surface gets worn down meaning less pedal throw until engagment).
The clutch that was pulled out had a wear line on the fingers and some metal shaving dust underneath!

I think it does have something to do with the TO bearing rattling, that would explain why when engaged it stops cause its under pressure.

gilly02le · Post by **gilly02le** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:17 am

Maybe dodge makes crap quality TOB's. I have definitely heard of others having this same issue.

danman132x · Post by **danman132x** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:18 pm

I went out and took some videos of the sound, maybe they'll help a lil

Here's one of the tranny. You can hear the rattle if you pay close attention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt_ta3NTqvA

This is a video of me driving around. You can hear it much better with headphones on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUn2MqC-y4Q

another one in car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXRyP6Q7y14

I hope it not going to start getting worse, like in the video for mad_med...

Maybe it's the tob, could actually be that these trannies hate the PT clutch, but I have an 03 tranny, and I heard these problems were only in the 04-05 models

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:50 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpJKYyO ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqJDbvW ... re=related

Sounds close to these, just not as loud. Just wonder if it is the anti-shock springs in the clutch rattling. The thing that gets me is there is no rhyme or rhythm/harmonicis to the noise. It is just random rattling. I guess that is why it is so difficult to figure out.

But that co worker is pretty interesting!

danman132x · Post by **danman132x** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:37 am

occasional demons wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpJKYyO ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqJDbvW ... re=related

Sounds close to these, just not as loud. Just wonder if it is the anti-shock springs in the clutch rattling. The thing that gets me is there is no rhyme or rhythm/harmonicis to the noise. It is just random rattling. I guess that is why it is so difficult to figure out.

But that co worker is pretty interesting!

It does sound pretty much the same, but not as bad. Maybe the PT clutch really does cause this problem. Who knows... I just don't want it to get THAT bad to where you can hear it outside of the car in a parking lot or so driving around. Would be pretty embarrasing...

Yea, that co-worker definetly has some moves

I would know too...

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:00 pm

danman132x wrote:Yea, that co-worker definetly has some moves

You sure you didn't bolt her up in there?

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:12 pm

Mine does this with stock clutch right now. But it seems to go away after it's warmed up. But it's way louder than yours. People can hear it like two cars away and always ask me what it is.

Car6on14 · Post by **Car6on14** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:40 pm

mine is doing that aswell and same as dockyle it seems to go away when warm, im going to try and adjust the cable, my clutch pedal is really high, was like that wen i got the car 2 weeks ago, and only 20k on it... hoping i dont have to change TOB.

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:32 pm

Car6on14 wrote:mine is doing that aswell and same as dockyle it seems to go away when warm, im going to try and adjust the cable, my clutch pedal is really high, was like that wen i got the car 2 weeks ago, and only 20k on it... hoping i dont have to change TOB.

You don't have a cable. Unless you swapped a 2000 MTX in. the clutch pedal height can be adjusted tho.

Fuzzyneon · Post by **Fuzzyneon** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:45 pm

Mine does the same thing i have no clue ill keep an eye on this thread though =D

Mad_Medeiros · Post by **Mad_Medeiros** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:19 am

sounded like mine when she first went bad.. just some minor ticking like that.. mine went way worse for some odd reason though.

I'll bet you money its not your TOB or clutch...

its internal, we did a couple tests to mine after the third rebuild, stuff two things with grease (Little brass rings on the shaft) sound dissapeared for two days.. came right back...

here is a -10 degree day with my r/t RIGHT after I had the tranny put back together with the grease in the brass rings... I forgot what they were called... this was about 3-4 hours after

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ma ... CF0979.flv

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ma ... CF0977.flv

and here it is the next day
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ma ... CF0971.flv

came right back.

and this is a video BEFORE the new stuff was installed.. this is a newer transmission too

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ma ... CF0974.flv

and finally this is what it turned into.. LOL

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ma ... CF0976.flv

I got so fed up I just traded the car in

danman132x · Post by **danman132x** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:41 am

I seen that last video before, and it sounds horrendous. I hope mine doesnt turn into that. The thing is, my tranny was silent until AFTER I got done with my pt clutch swap. The very 1st day of the swap, it's been making the rattling noise. You would think it would take some time before it starts, so it's leading me to beleive that the PT clutch was just designed shitty, even though it's stronger than a stock neon clutch. I went back under the car and checked the release fork by taking off the cylinder thing and it was in place like it should be. I don't know whats causing it, but I guess i can live with it unless it gets worse. Maybe I'll have to find a T-850 to bolt in lol.

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:46 am

If this doent happen on the 2.4's then maybe the weight difference of the clutch actually is an integral part of the dampening system. IIRC the ATX's on the PT's are 41te instead of 40te, so there may actually be something to that theory. (If the TC,s are also different) but if you were to develop rattling in a TC.... ouch.
danman132x, do you have the OEM dampener or a UDP?

danman132x · Post by **danman132x** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:29 pm

I have the stock crank pulley.

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:50 pm

Sucks Fluidampr doen't make one for neons. It would be interesting to try, but not to buy. But then $400 may be cheap if it gets rid of the rattle. Swapping a standard neon clutch back in might give some answers, but that would be as big of a pain as spending $400. (If there was an available option.)

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:16 pm

06-001-05 02/19/2005 Powertrain:Manual Transmission -
Transmission Gear Rattle Sound at Idle

This is listed here: http://sci-fi.ptenthusiasts.net/catalog.html

Unfortunately there isn't any further info. IDK if Dante or BRR could shed any light on the recommended fix they tried on the PT version. Or if it was the same as the above mentioned BRR Documentary.

danman132x · Post by **danman132x** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:51 pm

Just an update on things, I'm very used to the clutch now, don't have jerky shifts with the clutch or anything anymore. It grips like crazy, and the lighter pedal feel, feels "normal" again. Tranny shifts like a charm, but the rattling noise is still there. Hasn't gotten worse or better. I just have to live with it. The cutch chatters some on certain mornings, just like my stock clutch I had in. After a lil driving, it's just fine for the rest of the day. It does it mainly when it's been a humid night outside.

biboledreiyh · Post by **biboledreiyh** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:35 am

i have the same problem and dealer didnt even tryed to answer me...

dgodard · Post by **dgodard** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:31 pm

I have a similar noise in srt-4, bit it's a little different because noise has rhyme and rhythm/harmonicis lol....it's a constant noise with engine rpms, it goes away when clutch pedal is pushed in,

Predator · Post by **Predator** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:40 pm

Yeah I installed a performance clutch in my 2000 MTX and a new TOB, greased it up all good, got it place on the fork nicely and bolted it back up. I started it and *rattle rattle rattle...* it still does it and it has been about a year or so now, maybe a little longer. It is definitely the TOB. I know some VW make that same noise right off the assembly line. I dont know what will happen if it keeps rattling, or if anything will happen. I heard this can occur if the TOB is installed slightly cocked. So yeah but I wouldnt really worry about it to much. When you see me post something about my tranny going then maybe worry, but everything seems fine.