wiring SKIM on a nonSKIM car: DONE thanks GraphiteSRT

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:39 pm

I'm sure there is a post about this but i just can find anything

so if anyone can direct me to some info that would be great

i need to install a sentry set up with the matching r/t pcm on my 2000 neon with an 01 r/t swap

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:41 pm

I need some info first. What PCM are you using? Is it an old PCM that had a SKIM already?

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:21 pm

Danteneon wrote:I need some info first. What PCM are you using? Is it an old PCM that had a SKIM already?

I bought an 01 R/t pcm with the matching skim set up... from superRT

2001 R/T PCM
- Sentry Key Module (SKIM)
- Sentry Ignition Key
- the RKE

I still have my 2000 pcm and the 01 r/t pcm which came with my engine

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:39 pm

Since you have the matching parts, it's just an issue of installing them. The only question is whether or not you have the connector for the RKE module and the SKIM module. I'm assuming you are using the original dash harness from your car?

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:08 pm

yeah... the only harness i changed was the engine harness and the engine bay harness..

I did not receive any plug or connector for the skim ignition ring

I do have an extra harness and engine bay harness for parts

Im not too concerned about the remote thing.. my car did not have power locks to begine with and i am in teh process of installing an aftermarket kit with keyless... also he did not send the remote... just the key and the ignition ring and teh pcm

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:58 pm

IIRC, you may have the connector taped back into the harness for the SKIM module. Your PCM would be plug and play if that is the case.

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:21 pm

Danteneon wrote:IIRC, you may have the connector taped back into the harness for the SKIM module. Your PCM would be plug and play if that is the case.

how far back? i cant really find anything... i undid the wraping but still dont see anything

the only thing is a small little plug and it fits in the skim unit but it looks like there should be two of them pluged in... but the little plug fits in both plugs

i can take photos if need be

I got the skim and pcm mounted fine

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:00 pm

this is the back of the skim which is mounted on the steering column

I have a plug hanging under the column which doesnt seem to go anywhere else

it fits the skim but if you notice in the first pic there is spots for two of the plugs and the one plug fits into both slots

is this plug for the skim?

if not is there anyway to wire it like stock without buying and swaping a whole dash harness?

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:19 pm

Yeah, that's not it. IIRC, it's a black or green plug. Let me see if I can get a pic of mine.

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:40 pm

Danteneon wrote:Yeah, that's not it. IIRC, it's a black or green plug. Let me see if I can get a pic of mine.

well i probally dont have it, do i?

if that being the case... the IIRC runs with the dash harness to connect with the engine or engine bay harness? so since i have a both of those harness from a car with skim, I should have a plug for the skim which isnt pluged in under the hood?

would it be possible to cut both the IIRC plug for the SKIM and the plug which connects the skim to the other harness and make a small harness with both ends and plug in the skim under the hood with the key taped to it

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:28 am

IIRC = If I Recall Correctly. Just so you are using the right acronyms.
But if you don't have the plug you may have to source one fron the JY or get one from a dealer, if it is sold seperately. Then you will just need a wiring schematic of what connects where, and build a patch cable. I think it connects to the PCI data bus to get to the PCM?
If so then you won't need to wire from the underhood to the dash/interior.

The bus wire is a violet/yellow wire. page 624 0f 1771 if you have the pdf version of the FSM.

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:32 pm

occasional demons wrote:IIRC = If I Recall Correctly. Just so you are using the right acronyms.
But if you don't have the plug you may have to source one fron the JY or get one from a dealer, if it is sold seperately. Then you will just need a wiring schematic of what connects where, and build a patch cable. I think it connects to the PCI data bus to get to the PCM?
If so then you won't need to wire from the underhood to the dash/interior.

The bus wire is a violet/yellow wire. page 624 0f 1771 if you have the pdf version of the FSM.

thanks man... shows you how experienced I am with this... i though IIRC was the type of plug

i do have the FSM pdf... but i still dont know how to read it

i am offering a free srt steering wheel to whom ever can give be simple how-to directions that your grandma can follow

here is the wheel and other things if you choose

viewtopic.php?t=35297

Graphite SRT · Post by **Graphite SRT** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:08 am

ok here goes

Heres a pic of the plug your going to need to get along with the pinouts/wire colors

Pin 1 No connection
Pin 2 Violet/Yellow ( PCI Bus ) - same color at Data Link Connector
Pin 3 No connection
Pin 4 Dark Blue/White ( Run-Start) - tap at Fuse 11 10amp
Pin 5 Black/Light Green ( Ground ) - at wiper switch same color
Pin 6 Pink ( Fuse B+) - tap at Fuse 4 15amp

If you don't have one of the fuse locations let me know and i can find an alternative or you can add them

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:49 am

If you have PDF files you need this to open them.

http://get.adobe.com/reader/?promoid=BUIGO

Should be free.

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:31 am

Thanks for the info guys

since i have no clue what I'm doing... boneyardracing is coming over to help me wire this thing up

I need this car running before new years... I'm moving to long island and I have spent the last 8 month building this car so i will have a car when I move back

hopefully we can wire this up without any problem[/i]

snkmug · Post by **snkmug** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:19 pm

your going to need the dash harness from a 00-02 neon with sentry and with/without power windows whatever you have. I had one here and threw it away a few weeks ago...

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:59 pm

snkmug wrote:your going to need the dash harness from a 00-02 neon with sentry and with/without power windows whatever you have. I had one here and threw it away a few weeks ago...

im trying to wire it up without swapping the dash harness

asanti · Post by **asanti** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:16 pm

You may want to get in touch with 2K1motorsport, I BELIEVE he has a dash harness but I may be mistaken (?).

Later
Allex

snkmug · Post by **snkmug** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:05 am

Bluerocketsneeks wrote:
snkmug wrote:your going to need the dash harness from a 00-02 neon with sentry and with/without power windows whatever you have. I had one here and threw it away a few weeks ago...

im trying to wire it up without swapping the dash harness

not going to happen......

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:43 am

snkmug wrote:
Bluerocketsneeks wrote:
snkmug wrote:your going to need the dash harness from a 00-02 neon with sentry and with/without power windows whatever you have. I had one here and threw it away a few weeks ago...

im trying to wire it up without swapping the dash harness
not going to happen......

oh, why not?

snkmug · Post by **snkmug** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:39 pm

because the sentry wiring sends a signal to the pcm that allows it to start...the wiring goes thru the cluster to the sentry light...are you really going to mess with computer pin outs and hacking wiring , when you can just swap the harness out...Pulling the dash and column takes 20 minutes tops....last dash and harness that I bought from the junkyard was 50 for the whole works harness included....

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:50 pm

snkmug wrote:because the sentry wiring sends a signal to the pcm that allows it to start...are you really going to mess with computer pin outs and all that crap, when you can just swap the harness out...Pulling the dash and column takes 20 minutes tops....last dash and harness that I bought from the junkyard was 50 for the whole works

I am aware.. it sends it via pci bus... which can be tapped into

There is no way you got the steering column and dash out in 20 minutes... I spent an hour taking out as many screws as I can can find and the dash didnt even wiggle... wiring it up is actually alot easier

I just need the connector that plugs into the back of the SKIM

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:36 am

Part #5183472AA...MSRP $13.75

CAV..CIRCUIT..........FUNCTION
1

2......D25 22VT/YL...PCI BUS

3

4......G5 20DB/WT...FUSED IGNITION SWITCH OUTPUT (RUN-START)

5......Z2 20BK/LG....GROUND

6......M1 20PK.........FUSED B(+)

Bluerocketsneeks · Post by **Bluerocketsneeks** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:35 pm

Danteneon wrote:Part #5183472AA...MSRP $13.75

CAV..CIRCUIT..........FUNCTION
1

2......D25 22VT/YL...PCI BUS

3

4......G5 20DB/WT...FUSED IGNITION SWITCH OUTPUT (RUN-START)

5......Z2 20BK/LG....GROUND

6......M1 20PK.........FUSED B(+)

thanks john, the dealer didnt have it in stock so i grab a 00 plug and an 03 plug and i hope to be wiring it up tomorrow with GraphitSRT's help... he showing where i can wire it too

Hopefully there are no more surprises with this car

Graphite SRT · Post by **Graphite SRT** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:07 pm

for some reason i can't reply to your pm I'm getting some error so i'll post here..

I'll get you those pics tomorrow morning. The only pics you are really going to need are of the back of the fuse box so i can show you where to tap and maybe the datalink connector. The wiper switch Ground wire is pretty easy to see once you find the plug its right above where the skim normally mounts, i could get a pic of that but my harness is all tapped up their from adding a auto wiper module.

snkmug · Post by **snkmug** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:41 pm

you pull out the eight 13mm bolts and the two 10mm on the top, then the a/c vent behind the center bezel so you can slide the heater controls thru....I can do it in 15 and have it sitting on the ground...the door harness connectors are the only bitch sometimes....you dont have to take out all those screws, you pull it in one piece assembled, pass airbag and all.....Hope you figuered it out, but swapping the harness would have been way easier...

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:14 am

the sentry issue has plagued alot of 2gn owners and no one has really investigated on whats involved to add/remove the unit.Years ago I tried to run my car with a Non-Sentry pcm, no skimm hooked up, and my cluster removed.My R/T still started and stalled like there was a sentry system still installed.

The above wiring schematics are for a 2000 model.By the looks of it as long as you wire it up properly there should be no issues.The PCI/Data bus wire MUST have a perfect connection and not a twisted together wire type install.The data bus allows multiple modules to communicate to each other over the same lead,the Violet w/yellow wire.I'm assuming if you have the Sentry module,PCM,Cluster,Keyless entry module all wired up properly they should enable the Sentry system to work properly. My mistake during my disabling of the Sentry must have been not removing the keyless entry module. I have not had time to look into this further but if there is anything I can try to do to assist ya, let me know

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:18 pm

Bluerocketsneeks, so you got this done ??

That is good to know.... do you have any advice or tips for others, based on your experience ??

BlackRose, Thank you also, for taking the time to post the schematics.

- Nick

snkmug · Post by **snkmug** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:36 pm

keyless entry has nothing to do with senty, I have swapped units and remotes before, with no effect on sentry....there is a way to bypass sentry, but no one will say cause of liability issues, and theft....

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:27 pm

^^^
theres more to it than that....