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SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:36 pm

ok so i have a friend that has a 2002 r/t, and we are having major problems!! its a 5 speed when u get the car up to not sure but 4000 rpm its cuts of and wontget past 60 miles an hour an ideas how to fix this and the car has 86 original miles and the best of all he is not realy into cars got the car brand new from his pops for hight school and does not even know what engine he has!! so he says if i can fix he will trade me my car for his !!! so i wana know if this problem is an easy fix or if i shod trade the car!!

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:45 pm

And he calls you a friend? Besides, his "pops" may have something to say. Especially if "Pops" was smart enough to put a lein on the car, like I would.

Yes, I can be a bastid.
Does it have any codes? Does it shut off at 4000 rpm, or just won't go any higher than that?

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:57 pm

occasional demons wrote:And he calls you a friend? Besides, his "pops" may have something to say. Especially if "Pops" was smart enough to put a lein on the car, like I would. Yes, I can be a bastid.
Does it have any codes? Does it shut off at 4000 rpm, or just won't go any higher than that?

what u mean by he calls me a friend?? lol and no the car does not shut off just wont get past it!! and it will not go past 60 miles an hour

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:14 pm

Because if I had a buddy that had an R/T with 86 miles on it I wouldn't let him trade me an '00 with ? miles. I would help get it fixed for him, and if he wanted to sell it, then at least let me have first dibs for a fair price. That's what this forum is about helping PPL, not taking advantage of their ignorance.

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:36 pm

yea that was wat i told him but he does not want to keep the car and wants my car i never even mention trading he did. so u would not trade it if ur friend wants to he does not want a stick shift no more also lol

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:49 pm

Since his father's money paid for the car, that should be a dicussion amongst the three of you. If his parents and him don't have an issue, then go for it. Even if he is legal age, there are other factors here. If he had bought the car with his own $ then it would be a bit different. That car would easily sell at a dealer for over $6000. I see plenty of '03-'04's here with 40-60,000 miles for $9000-up around here. A moderate mileage '00-'01 is only about 1500-3000, depending on condition.

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:31 am

occasional demons wrote:Since his father's money paid for the car, that should be a dicussion amongst the three of you. If his parents and him don't have an issue, then go for it. Even if he is legal age, there are other factors here. If he had bought the car with his own $ then it would be a bit different. That car would easily sell at a dealer for over $6000. I see plenty of '03-'04's here with 40-60,000 miles for $9000-up around here. A moderate mileage '00-'01 is only about 1500-3000, depending on condition.

his parents have moved back to brazil he is 25 years old lol

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:13 pm

morning bump i need help

Passt · Post by **Passt** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:25 pm

Even with that problem, I'd want the R/T. I'd get the car and then figure out what's wrong lol.

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:47 pm

My best guess is if it has only 86 actual miles, it doesn't get driven much. I would check for exhaust restrictions. But for an even trade, you could well afford to take it somewhere for a real diagnosis.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:00 pm

Wow...so many things it could be. My guess? The exhaust/cat is clogged. There are probably many critters making a home in that exhaust

loko498 · Post by **loko498** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:55 pm

Fuel filter?

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:02 pm

Is it a straight cut off, or does it hit a sort of rev limiter?

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:17 pm

invujerry wrote:Is it a straight cut off, or does it hit a sort of rev limiter?

i will drive the car and give u guys more info !!!

ZeroChad · Post by **ZeroChad** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:47 pm

No CEL?

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:11 pm

cel???? pardom for my lack of knowledge but wats cel
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Passt · Post by **Passt** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:26 pm

SOKADAO954 wrote:cel???? pardom for my lack of knowledge but wats cel
???

Check Engine Light

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:57 pm

o0o im sorry but no no check engine light is on its weird we replaced his fuel injectors today morning it got better then when back to doing the same again

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:15 pm

If this car has been sitting for a while (and with that low mileage, I'm sure it has), chances are that the fuel is pretty bad. You may also have contaminants throughout the system.

If that's the case, your best bet is to pull the gas that is in the tank out, and have a full fuel system service done to it. If changing the injectors helped, that reinforces my theory.

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:12 pm

but the car has not been siting for a while he drives daily but not that much he goes to work in his work truck only uses the car for weekends and of he goes out after work

Donkeypuncher · Post by **Donkeypuncher** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:15 pm

Well, when you figure 86 miles is less than 1/2 a tank of gas, it could very well be the problem.

A 6 year old car with 86 miles on it had to have been sitting for a good stretch of time. If he drove it 1 mile every weekend (which is unlikely), after 1 1/2 years he would have about 80 miles, that leaves a good chunk of time unaccounted for.

mopar4life · Post by **mopar4life** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:07 pm

Like the others said, drain the tank, put in some fresh gas and maybe even some seafoam in with the gas and it should run much better.

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:12 pm

yep guys i will try all of the above and let u guys know what fixed the problem

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:18 pm

And tho not directly related to the performance problem, if the oil hasn't been changed in those 86 ish miles, then schedule that one too. The oil should be changed a minimum of every 6 months regardless of miles. Also the coolant. It will break down over time. If it has a high enough acidity to it it can produce over a volt in the system. That voltage can skew the sensor's output. (Mainly the coolant temp, since it is about the only one that conacts the coolant)
After thinking about it, he might have the better end of the trade. A low mileage car, that hasn't been properly stored in between driving, will generally have failures at lower mileage than one that is driven daily at operating temp for at least 35 to 40 miles/or minutes. Granted timewise the higher mileage car might have more failures, but from my experiences I have had less problems with cars driven over 20,000 miles/year than ones under 10,000 miles/yr.

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:48 pm

ok so yesterday i drove the car all day before new years now im going to describe exacly what happens.

ok so to begin with when u first turn on the car (cold engine) its dies on me, once engine is warm its all good

now when i stoped at a intersection i held up the gas to 3000 rpm and just held it there and by its self the rpm goes down to 2000 RPM and goes back up.

and the problem at 4 rpm is just like when u rev up an a/t car like it limts the rpm well its doing that when u get it up to exacly at 4000 rpm

once im driving when im in 5 gear giving gas its like if the car was choking on it self for liek 5 seconds then goes back to normal

ok so thats the main problem

then i have the tranny grinds 2 gear all the time unless its put in very nicely
and when in gear u can move the shifter around has lots of play it it need bushings but that ok i got priced on a shop to get the tranny rebuilt!! not to expencive

n ways so guys here is the detail i promice now what u guys think it can be???

if i get the car i will do complete tune up
all fluids flush brakes are brand new has a week old radiator, stering wheels is riped and sunroof is briken do not know what wrong but that not a problem!!

well i have no idea what can it be! hopefuly somehere had the same problem before and will be able to help!!

thank u guys

HAPPY NEW YEARS TO U ALL< MAY GOD BLEES OUR LIVES WITH LOTS OF NEON AND PARTS RACE FUEL 2.4 TURBO ENGINES AND MUCH MORE!!!

Post by **occasional demons** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:37 pm

Seems like a lot of problems for a car with 86 miles on it. I would remove the 2 bolts and 1 nut to get a look at the PCM to see if it is in fact an R/T PCM. The VIN should match the VIN on the dash, and it should have R/T on the label. Mine does. If the cluster has been swapped it won't read the actual miles on the car either. And the 8th digit should be an "F" in the VIN. The shifter bushings aren't the best, but I'm sure they last longer than 100 miles. My bushing was missing completely at the transmission end, and it didn't grind at all going into gear. That was when it had 69,000 on it.

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:23 pm

occasional demons wrote:Seems like a lot of problems for a car with 86 miles on it. I would remove the 2 bolts and 1 nut to get a look at the PCM to see if it is in fact an R/T PCM. The VIN should match the VIN on the dash, and it should have R/T on the label. Mine does. If the cluster has been swapped it won't read the actual miles on the car either. And the 8th digit should be an "F" in the VIN. The shifter bushings aren't the best, but I'm sure they last longer than 100 miles. My bushing was missing completely at the transmission end, and it didn't grind at all going into gear. That was when it had 69,000 on it.

yes the car was bough brand new when he was in high school only thing he has done is lower it and rims but yes i have checked everything checks up with the vin and cluster serial number is also right!!

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:49 pm

bump for help

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:59 pm

SOKADAO954 wrote:ok so yesterday i drove the car all day before new years now im going to describe exacly what happens.

ok so to begin with when u first turn on the car (cold engine) its dies on me, once engine is warm its all good Guess-Coolant temp sensor is bad? Could be many things though.

now when i stoped at a intersection i held up the gas to 3000 rpm and just held it there and by its self the rpm goes down to 2000 RPM and goes back up. Guess-Throttle cable/spring is sticking?

and the problem at 4 rpm is just like when u rev up an a/t car like it limts the rpm well its doing that when u get it up to exacly at 4000 rpm Guess-I have no idea, you got me there

once im driving when im in 5 gear giving gas its like if the car was choking on it self for liek 5 seconds then goes back to normal Guess-Plugs, wires, and induction service.

ok so thats the main problem

then i have the tranny grinds 2 gear all the time unless its put in very nicely
and when in gear u can move the shifter around has lots of play it it need bushings but that ok i got priced on a shop to get the tranny rebuilt!! not to expencive Guess-bad shifter bushings

Like we said before...this car needs some TLC. Do the basic matiance to it first, then start chasing the other problems.

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:06 pm

Danteneon wrote:
SOKADAO954 wrote:ok so yesterday i drove the car all day before new years now im going to describe exacly what happens.

ok so to begin with when u first turn on the car (cold engine) its dies on me, once engine is warm its all good Guess-Coolant temp sensor is bad? Could be many things though.

now when i stoped at a intersection i held up the gas to 3000 rpm and just held it there and by its self the rpm goes down to 2000 RPM and goes back up. Guess-Throttle cable/spring is sticking?

and the problem at 4 rpm is just like when u rev up an a/t car like it limts the rpm well its doing that when u get it up to exacly at 4000 rpm Guess-I have no idea, you got me there

once im driving when im in 5 gear giving gas its like if the car was choking on it self for liek 5 seconds then goes back to normal Guess-Plugs, wires, and induction service.

ok so thats the main problem

then i have the tranny grinds 2 gear all the time unless its put in very nicely
and when in gear u can move the shifter around has lots of play it it need bushings but that ok i got priced on a shop to get the tranny rebuilt!! not to expencive Guess-bad shifter bushings

Like we said before...this car needs some TLC. Do the basic matiance to it first, then start chasing the other problems.

yes but do u think its worth a trade even with that many problems i have a 2000 es with 86k also my car is lowerd on eibach pro kit, srt4 seats and cluster and my car has no body damage at all his has a big dent in the trunk and back of the rear wheel!! i will take some pictures of his car when i have a chance!