Camber bolts - Front

latief · Post by **latief** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:48 am

I will be dropping the neon around 1.5 inches this weekend. will i absolutely need camber bolts up-front? i just can't help but feel that camber bolts are not safe. what do you guys think? i have adjustable control arms in the rear so that is not a problem.....

thanks......

Tam · Post by **Tam** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:51 am

I wondered this myself, I dropped my car a few weekends ago and didn't use any camber bolts at all. And so far so good.

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:54 am

Camber bolts are very safe. The steel strength is specifically strong enough for its task... so they are safe.

As for dropping the car and needing them... it all depends on if you want to adjust off the negative camber that you are going to incur as well as balance the camber on both sides... So in short. Yes you will need them.

thttxboy · Post by **thttxboy** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:01 am

Yea unless u plan on rotating ur wheels monthly I would suggest u use camber bolts too adjust ur camber. Also buy the camber bolts urself, many shops charge way too much for camber bolts if they have too privide them.

latief · Post by **latief** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:02 am

isn't there a chance that the alignment will move out of place since the bolt diameter is smaller than the strut bolt location? my apologies if this sounds naive as i am not sure exactly how camber bolts hold things in place in there...

thanks,

Edit: another problem is that we don't have performance alignment shops over here, so will a regular shop (assuming they agree to do it) be capable of handling something like this (without killing me on the highway later on because they didn't do it right

)

OB · Post by OB » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:37 am

All camber bolts do is allow the lower clevis on the strut to move in relation to the knuckle by being slightly undersized. Tightening torque secures them, just like any bolts. Sometimes they have special anti-slip appropriations built into them. Any alignment shop will be able to install and use them. I have heard that they do indeed slip, certain brands more than others, and that slotting the struts for camber adjustment is the way to go.

T-Nasty · Post by **T-Nasty** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:49 am

yes slotting the struts is a much better idea than the camber bolts. but lowering your car 1.5" isnt going to give you that bad of a camber problem.

OB · Post by OB » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:00 pm

I'd be more concerned with getting the camber equal than getting the settings back to stock. Camber is the least dangerous alignment measurement. It will do the least damage to the tires and effect handling the least per given degree of adjustment (compared to toe and caster). It can be beneficial to have some negative camber on a performance based suspension, but it isn't hugely effective in small amounts. If you could keep it under 2* and equal all around, you'll be happy with the results, both tire wear wise and handling wise. I still need to slot my struts, but I'm waiting to pull the suspension apart for the bushings install.

latief · Post by **latief** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:08 pm

Anyone know what the numbers are for the mopar camber bolts ?

Edit: Never mind, found it......

anyone know if these are any different than any other bolt on the market?

Edit: Lilsparkplug, I saw you have these^^^ are they any different in your opinion than other crash bolts? do you have a picture by any chance?

thanks,

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:13 pm

the camber you will get from a 1.5 inch drop will be just fine. I run no camber bolts on my sportline springs and have about negative 2 camber (no real tire wear problems) But like ob said, they're not a bad idea to get it equal from side to side etc. Personally i say go with the mopar bolts. They are a little pricy, but they are the best ones. All the other eccentric camber bolts i have seen/used slipped after a few weeks, causing even worse camber.

latief · Post by **latief** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:45 pm

so i just came back from the dodge dealership over here, they wanted $40 for each camber bolt...i guess the bolt comes with a car attached to it or something???:lol:

forget about it, aftermarket bolts are what i will be getting .....

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:51 pm

hybrid-Srt2001 wrote:the camber you will get from a 1.5 inch drop will be just fine. I run no camber bolts on my sportline springs and have about negative 2 camber (no real tire wear problems) But like ob said, they're not a bad idea to get it equal from side to side etc. Personally i say go with the mopar bolts. They are a little pricy, but they are the best ones. All the other eccentric camber bolts i have seen/used slipped after a few weeks, causing even worse camber.

Modern Sells the Eibach camber bolts which are no different from the Mopar other than price.

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:08 am

umm have you ever seen the mopar bolts? They are way different. The eibach ones are garbage and WILL slip. To the OP the mopar ones are just a slightly smaller bolt, like a few thousandth's. If you don't want to spend that much go to the hardware store and get yourself some grade 8 bolts that are a little smaller than stock. Or if you have access to a lathe take the stock bolt and turn it down a small ammount.. That's what i did on my car and they have held perfectly.

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:22 am

I personally don't trust camber bolts. Too many people have had them slip. Hopefully when I go lower, I won't have too much of an issue.

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:23 am

That's what coilovers with camber plates are for

latief · Post by **latief** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:39 am

Do you have pictures of these mopar camber bolts?

maybe i'll order them online if it is worth it.....

thanks,

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:04 pm

id send you a picture but they're in my car. They look exactly like stock bolts, you cant tell the size difference without actually measuring it with a set of calipers.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:09 pm

If you can get the bolts with the ability to return them, ...
Take it to the alignment shop, and see if they can set it to spec with out them. If they say they can't, then give them the bolts.
Or just take it with out them. Any decent shop will only charge you for the settings they can get with in spec. I just went through this with mine. they couldn't get the toe correct on the lh side. When I take it back with a better tie rod end installed they are only going to charge me for a toe set. They didn't charge me for the toe part of the alignment because it couldn't be set to spec. It is close but still out.
Point being if they work with you, you could get the bolts and take it back if needed.

latief · Post by **latief** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:15 am

I just picked them up from chrylser (not dodge), $28 for the set which is roughly the same price as an aftermarket set with shipping....

they look like regular bolts as hybrid said.....and they come in pairs per kit !!!(this is important to know, because some dealers don't know that)..

i will post pictures later...if i need them i will install them, otherwise i will return them or sell them ....

Edit: Pictures of Mopar camber bolts are up now !!!

also,

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:17 pm

thanks for putting the part numbers dude. Can we get them put in the part numbers thread? and you will like the bolts if you do use them. If you put them anywhere it should be the back you want more negative camber in the front than back -1.5f and -.5R would be ideal for handling

latief · Post by **latief** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:21 pm

no problem, i could never seem to find a picture of them, so this way everyone can see what they look like!

2001rt32 · Post by **2001rt32** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:05 pm

i have the drop zones and i sit about 2 in lower and when i put my car on the alightment rack it was close to perfect, and then i aligned it to acr spec's without the camber bolts and i have no issues with tire wear at all.

Caraudioholic24 · Post by **Caraudioholic24** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:09 am

Ok sorry to resurrect but...

I am going from the sportline to pro kit setup with tokico blue struts. The sportlines were just a little to low for my new Kaminari body kit. Anyway does anyone have any pics of them installed in the front and rear. I could never figure out if they went on the top hole or the bottom. I didnt have the sportlines on long enough to get an alignment.

Right now I have them at the top hole in each knuckle but Im not sure if thats right. Also what way side should the nut face front or rear?? Thanks

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:30 am

I think they go in the bottom of two holes in the knuckles.

Caraudioholic24 · Post by **Caraudioholic24** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:37 am

thats was my first assumption. so u figure they go on the bottom holes of all 4??? Im running a prok kit and wonder if I even need them but we shall see. If not they will be up for sale soon

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:42 am

Yeah, what I said. Post 18. Try it with out, but take them along just incase...

Caraudioholic24 · Post by **Caraudioholic24** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:52 am

yea thats how I got the idea. lol

thanks

Caraudioholic24 · Post by **Caraudioholic24** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:30 am

Another quick question. Im getting ready to install these and I forgot if the NUT should be facing the front of the car or the rear. Just curious if it mattered. Thanks

Mopar_Korean · Post by **Mopar_Korean** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:03 am

I dont think it matters.

On a side note, I ran camber bolts on my 1st gen after lowering it and they used 2 bolts on each strut. HOWEVER I requested 2.5* of negative camber. They said that if I didnt request that amount of camber they would have been able to bring it back to factory spec.

I beat that 1st gen to an inch of its life with DD duties and autocross and Ive never had them slip.

LilSparkPlug · Post by **LilSparkPlug** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:28 am

I also run two Mopar bolts per strut on the SRT. I probably won't run them on the SXT unless I truly need them, in which case I will again, go with Mopar.